#dev 2020-12-03

2020-12-03 UTC
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lostinthesauce hey
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@geonz ↩️ Yea, I'm recalling how I learned when y'all talk about webmentions, the link you give just gets to ... the same text in a different place... (twitter.com/_/status/1334293803180625920)
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[Raphael_Luckom] If anyone's looking for a good long read, this is a PDF of "No Silver Bullet -- Essence and Accident In Software Engineering" by Fred Brooks. Deservedly a classic. http://worrydream.com/refs/Brooks-NoSilverBullet.pdf
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jjuran I'm the proud owner of a copy of Fred Brooks' /The Mythical Man-Month/ which is autographed
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jjuran … by Dave Barry.
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jjuran (That still counts, right?)
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[Raphael_Luckom] I feel like it counts _more_
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[Raphael_Luckom] I mean they're both last names that start with B, but the first initial doesn't match. It's an off-by-one error 🙂
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jjuran That's meta-off-by-one
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[snarfed] aaronpk re your ownyourgram browser extension, any interest in making it do bridgy too? 😁
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aaronpk I uh, had that thought yes
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[snarfed] 🤔
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[snarfed] alternatively it’d probably be easier to have the extension send the wm directly, using a granary URL (with the user’s IG session cookie) as the source
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aaronpk It's definitely a different way of using the tool, you'd have to tell people they have to visit their own Instagram photos regularly
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[snarfed] oh you don’t want to make the HTTP reqs yourself?
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[snarfed] i figured the point of the extension was just consistent access to their IG cookie
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aaronpk Oh yeah huh
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[snarfed] more work, but easier for users
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aaronpk the way mine works right now is the extension send the Micropub request itself, my server isn't involved at all
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aaronpk That obviously isn't the same for webmention
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[snarfed] i think is if for IG you use granary
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aaronpk is granary not at risk of dying too?
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[snarfed] but yes, some server at least
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[snarfed] granary doesn’t embed a specific account’s cookie
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[snarfed] it uses the one you give it
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[snarfed] https://granary.io/?site=instagram
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aaronpk right, I guess I never really thought about it but I assumed they were also clamping down on that kind of thing too. Like seeing an cookie was suddenly being used from a different (and google app engine) IP
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[snarfed] 🤷 evidently not
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aaronpk but yea if all you need is the cookie and list of comment IDs that seems like something this extension could provide
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aaronpk or wait is it just cookie and photo url?
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[snarfed] the latter if you’re ok with sending the wms yourself
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[snarfed] (and storing the ones already sent, etc)
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aaronpk Interesting
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[snarfed] actually. not quite
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[snarfed] granary can convert an IG photo to mf2 html for it, but not individual comments or likes
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[snarfed] i could add that though
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[snarfed] (granary’s API can’t, at least. the library can.)
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aaronpk Okay, interesting, I'll have to think about this
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aaronpk I'm pretty sure I want to take the easy way out on my side which is to keep running a server side component to help with IndieAuth stuff and such, which opens up some interesting possibilities here
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[snarfed] sure!
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[snarfed] i haven’t found a way around IG’s bot blocking this time, so traditional bridgy backfeed may bed dead as is
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[snarfed] *be
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nolith I published a new website, on another domain, containing some literate programming stuff and my own dotfiles, I'd like to add microformats and webmetions to it. Just in case. Will be ok to add the same head link to webmention.io that I'm using on my personal website (another domain)? Will it work or do I need to implement webauth also on the new site and register again?
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[Raphael_Luckom] I got curious about the useragents I see referencing Windows NT. I assumed it was some script trying to negotiate lower protocol version for vulnerabilities, but apparently windows computers still use NT in there ua strings.
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[Raphael_Luckom] *their
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nolith IIRC since Windows XP every Windows version is based on NT kernel
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[Raphael_Luckom] TIL
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sknebel and useragents are fiction anyways
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sknebel e.g. see a Chrome saying "Mozilla", "Safari" and "AppleWebKit" in its UA string :D
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@Cambridgeport90 Still wondering why this stuff isn’t going out to the rest of the world, and I recently read something about combining the #IndieWeb with the fediverse. That looks freaking cool! Ideally we’ll see a bland between that and IndieAuth; can’t wait, and maybe… https://cambridgeport90.org/?p=114 (twitter.com/_/status/1334524539745742848)
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@petermolnar ↩️ There is https://fed.brid.gy/ which allows #fediverse to and interact with #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1334525869596008448)
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@Cambridgeport90 ↩️ The reference was something that @aaronpk posted, referring to making accounts in the fediverse also Indieauth capable. Only application I know right now that can do that is http://microblog.pub. Want to fool with that. (twitter.com/_/status/1334528665539866626)
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[KevinMarks] hm. would mastodon count as RelMeAuth capable?
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[tantek] can you sign-in somewhere that supports RelMeAuth using your Mastodon URL?
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[KevinMarks] I'd have to make one that links to twitter and make twitter link back…
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[tantek] KevinMarks, also do you mean "capable" as a IdP or an RP?
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[tantek] sing-in using your Mastodon URL somewhere that supports consuming RelMeAuth identities = Mastodon IdP support
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[tantek] sign-in*
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[KevinMarks] right, I think it would allow sign in, but as there are no endpoints linked it's a bit hollow
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[tantek] sign-into Mastodon using your own site URL that has rel=me, = Mastodon RP support
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[tantek] both of those are testable
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jamietanna My IndieAuth server looks ready to go live! Need to add some persisted keys for signing access tokens then I may actually put it live :O
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Loqi jamietanna: [tantek] left you a message 5 days, 1 hour ago: I added alt txt for your screenshots PNGs (thanks for providing screenshots!) on /consent_screen, please double check them and feel free to edit further / improve.
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jamietanna Not tonight though... Bit late to risk it!
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aaronpk ooo
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aaronpk cant wait to see it
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jamietanna I've definitely got some improvements around consent I'll be working on after it's live, based on some of the things you and Zegnat have done, aaronpk
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Zegnat Looking forward to seeing what you ended up with, jamietanna!
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[tantek] aaronpk, petermolnar, I'm storing homepage mentions in webmention.io
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[tantek] and not at all on my own website / hosting etc.
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petermolnar aaronpk: we're probably doing the same; I get an email, so I could technically keep it if I wanted to. In my case "storing" means that with reactions to entries I get the webmention from webmention.io, parse it through pandoc into a yaml + markdown file, then add them into the comments section of the entry in build. So storing in my workflow is that parsing-stripping-saving as file flow.
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aaronpk gotcha yeah
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aaronpk mine get stored in a database, i never ended up writing them to files, but the home page ones also don't get stored in that databae
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aaronpk databae 😂
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petermolnar apparently that's a thing: https://www.databae.com/
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vilhalmer I end up typing /bae multiple times a week due to the layout of our product's filesystem
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