#dev 2020-12-29

2020-12-29 UTC
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[tantek] GWG++ ooh definitely curious what your thoughts are on reviews
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Loqi GWG has 24 karma in this channel over the last year (152 in all channels)
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GWG [tantek]: That I need to design a fornat for them
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GWG Considering what I might be reviewing
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[tantek] a visual display format?
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GWG [tantek]: And content
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GWG For example, trip review, a restaurant review, a product review
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GWG They are different
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GWG I did some trip notes/reports recently I thought I could iterate on in the same vein
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[tantek] makes sense!
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GWG [tantek]: Do you have any thoughts on trip reports?
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GWG Or restaurant reviews?
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GWG I feel like when we talk review, it's usually product
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GWG I should ask about this. This is the only example I see on /review
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GWG https://danq.me/kind/review/
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GWG Since he seems to be using my code
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[tantek] odd, aaronpk has reviews
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Loqi +1
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GWG Yes, but he reviews products mostly
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GWG I have seen him review a single food item at a place, like an alcoholic drink
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GWG But not an experience or a venue
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[tantek] I should dig up my old restaurant reviews
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Loqi I agree
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GWG As I said, it seems to be less represented, which means an exploration is in order
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[tantek] here are a couple of old ones GWG: http://tantek.com/log/2006/07.html#d19t1832
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Loqi New York City reviews: more fitness and food
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GWG Who here reviews things on other sites?
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[tantek] Occasionally I post tips on Swarm/Foursquare if that's what you mean
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GWG Looking at h-review still
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GWG It assumes that the review has an overall rating, but nothing about sub-ratings.
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GWG For example, evaluating on multiple criteria.
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@eniehack ↩️ Webmentionにも対応してどのような言及がされているのかとかが見られるといいかも？ (twitter.com/_/status/1343764178570395650)
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[dmitshur] I think https://github.com/aaronpk/indielogin.com/pull/70 may be the first PHP code I ever "wrote".
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Loqi [dmitshur] #70 set grant_type=authorization_code in authz code request
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jeremycherfas !tell zegnat Many thanks for the alert. Debug removed and pagination fixed, as far as I can tell. something else may of course be broken in the meantime.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[KevinMarks] Hm, hreview had subratings, did that get lost in h-review?
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[KevinMarks] http://www.unmung.com/?html=%3Cdiv+class%3D%22hreview%22%3E%0D%0A+%3Cdiv+class%3D%22item+vcard%22%3E%0D%0A++%3Cdiv+class%3D%22fn+org+summary%22%3ECafe+Borrone%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0D%0A++%3Cspan+class%3D%22adr%22%3E%0D%0A+++%3Cspan+class%3D%22street-address%22%3E1010+El+Camino+Real%3C%2Fspan%3E%2C%0D%0A+++%3Cspan+class%3D%22locality%22%3EMenlo+Park%3C%2Fspan%3E%2C%0D%0A+++%3Cspan+class%3D%22region%22%3ECA%3C%2Fspan%3E%0D%0A+++%3Cspan+class%3D%22post
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[KevinMarks] pan+class%3D%22best%22%3E30%3C%2Fspan%3E%3C%2Fa%3E%3B%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A++%3Cli+class%3D%22rating%22%3E%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fflickr.com%2Fphotos%2Ftags%2FAmbience%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3E%0D%0A+++Ambience%3A+%3Cspan+class%3D%22value%22%3E19%3C%2Fspan%3E%2F%3Cspan+class%3D%22best%22%3E30%3C%2Fspan%3E%3C%2Fa%3E%3B%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A++%3Cli+class%3D%22rating%22%3E%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FService%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3
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[KevinMarks] al-code%22%3E94025%3C%2Fspan%3E%2C%0D%0A++%3C%2Fspan%3E%0D%0A++%3Cspan+class%3D%22tel%22%3E%2B1-650-327-0830%3C%2Fspan%3E%3B%0D%0A++%3Ca+class%3D%22url%22+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fcafeborrone.com%22%3Ecafeborrone.com%3C%2Fa%3E%0D%0A+%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0D%0A+%3Cul%3E%0D%0A++%3Cli+class%3D%22rating%22%3E%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFood%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3E%0D%0A+++Food%3A+%3Cspan+class%3D%22value%22%3E18%3C%2Fspan%3E%2F%3Cs
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[KevinMarks] E%0D%0A+++Service%3A+%3Cspan+class%3D%22value%22%3E15%3C%2Fspan%3E%2F%3Cspan+class%3D%22best%22%3E30%3C%2Fspan%3E%3C%2Fa%3E%3B%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A++%3Cli+class%3D%22rating%22%3E%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPrice%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3E%0D%0A+++Price%3A+%3Cabbr+class%3D%22value%22+title%3D%222%22%3E%24%24%3C%2Fabbr%3E...%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Fli%3E%0D%0A+%3C%2Ful%3E%0D%0A+%3Cdiv+class%3D%22description%22%3E%3Cp%3E%0D%0A++This+%3
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[KevinMarks] Cabbr+class%3D%22type%22+title%3D%22business%22%3E%0D%0A++%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2Fcafe%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3Ecafe%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Fabbr%3E+%0D%0A++is+a+welcoming+oasis+on+the+Peninsula.++%0D%0A++It+even+has+a+fountain+outside+which+nearly+eliminates+%0D%0A++the+sounds+of+El+Camino+traffic.++Next+door+to+a+superb+indy+bookstore%2C+%0D%0A++Cafe+Borrone+is+an+ideal+spot+to+grab+a+%0D%0A++%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fe
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[KevinMarks] n.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2Fcoffee%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3Ecoffee%3C%2Fa%3E+%0D%0A++or+a+meal+to+accompany+a+newly+purchased+book+or+imported+periodical.++%0D%0A++%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Ftechnorati.com%2Ftag%2Fsoup%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3ESoups%3C%2Fa%3E+and+%0D%0A++%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Ftechnorati.com%2Ftag%2Fsandwich%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3Esandwich%3C%2Fa%3E+%0D%0A++specials+rotate+daily.++The+corn+chowder+with+croutons+and+big+chunks+of+c
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[KevinMarks] heese+%0D%0A++goes+especially+well+with+a+freshly+toasted+mini-baguette.++Evenings+are+%0D%0A++often+crowded+and+may+require+sharing+a+table+with+a+perfect+stranger.+%0D%0A++%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fflickr.com%2Fphotos%2Ftags%2Fespresso%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3EEspresso%3C%2Fa%3E+%0D%0A++afficionados+will+appreciate+the+%0D%0A++%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FIlly%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3EIlly%3C%2Fa%3E+coffee.++%0D%0A++Noi
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[KevinMarks] se+levels+can+vary+from+peaceful+in+the+late+mornings+to+nearly+overwhelming+on+%0D%0A++%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2Fjazz%22+rel%3D%22tag%22%3Ejazz%3C%2Fa%3E+band+nights.%0D%0A+%3C%2Fp%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0D%0A+%3Ca+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fmicroformats.org%2Fwiki%2Fhreview%22%3EhReview%3C%2Fa%3E%0D%0A+by+%3Cspan+class%3D%22reviewer+vcard%22%3E%3Cspan+class%3D%22fn%22%3Eanonymous%3C%2Fspan%3E%3C%2Fspan%3E%2C+%0D%0A+%3Cabbr
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[KevinMarks] +class%3D%22dtreviewed%22+title%3D%222005-04-28%22%3EApril+28th%2C+2005%3C%2Fabbr%3E.%0D%0A%3C%2Fdiv%3E&pretty=on
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[KevinMarks] That's the python parser working on an mf1 hreview example
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[KevinMarks] Which isn't structuring the subcategories
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[KevinMarks] So you could replicate that with <span class="p-rating" >Food: 18/30</span> etc
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[KevinMarks] That doesn't look fully satisfactory tbh
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[KevinMarks] <dl class="h-rating" ><dt class="category" >Food</dt>:<dd><span class="value" >18</span>/<span class="best" >30</span><dt class="category" >Ambience</dt>:<dd><span class="value" >19</span>/<span class="best" >30</span></dl> maybe
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[KevinMarks] Er <dl class="h-rating" ><dt class="p-category" >Food</dt>:<dd><span class="p-value" >18</span>/<span class="p-best" >30</span><dt class="p-category" >Ambience</dt>:<dd><span class="p-value" >19</span>/<span class="p-best" >30</span></dl>
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[KevinMarks] No, hat doesn't bind right either
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[KevinMarks] 3rd go <div class="h-rating" ><span class="p-category" >Food</span>:<dd><span class="p-value" >18</span>/<span class="p-best" >30</span></div> <div class="h-rating" ><span class="p-category" >Ambience</span>:<dd><span class="p-value" >19</span>/<span class="p-best" >30</span></div>
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[KevinMarks] It is a bit tricky
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@EatPodcast ↩️ There's http://brid.gy that can do a lot of the work of POSSE for you. I use @withknown, which has plugins for that, like the one that will send this reply to Twitter. Depends partially on whether you already have a web publishing tool set up. (twitter.com/_/status/1343914755883470856)
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GWG [KevinMarks]: What would you propose?
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[KevinMarks] Well, it's a question of who you expect to parse it really.
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[KevinMarks] The other way might be to nest the subratings as sub reviews. If they're adjectives like Tantek's original example that is a bit odd, but if they're reviews of particular dishes it could make more sense to say Kevin gave the sashimi 8/10
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@evantravers ↩️ Thanks! I'm using some indieweb stuff for that… http://evantravers.com/articles/2019/11/14/indieweb-webmentions-on-middleman-or-jekyll/ (twitter.com/_/status/1343959041832312833)
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GWG [KevinMarks]: My next step is to design a review and document my use cases regardless of markup and see what I have before returning to whether I need new markup
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GWG I sort of like the subreview idea
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GWG A review nested in a review
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[KevinMarks] we should maybe raccoon this to #microformats - iirc subratings were based on Zagat style ratings, which were optimised for brevity in print. Tht may still be useful, but I can see subreviews making sense too
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GWG I'm not familiar with the term raccoon this
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GWG I want to look at Google reviews, TripAdvisor, Yelp, etc
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GWG To see the variants
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[KevinMarks] its from this http://i.imgur.com/cOnFedN.png
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[KevinMarks] if you do gather variants, can you update http://microformats.org/wiki/review-examples and link to them from http://microformats.org/wiki/h-review
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[Raphael_Luckom] Question for people who host websites in your homes, or any non-managed DC: Do you use a UPS? Do you have a special QoS on your internet service?
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[Raphael_Luckom] in general, are there special considerations for robustness in excess of what you'd use for a pc to browse the internet?
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aaronpk I have my server on a UPS, nothing fancy tho
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[Raphael_Luckom] is it like a server-rack server, old pc, rpi?
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aaronpk Intel NUC
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[Raphael_Luckom] neat, wasn't aware of those
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aaronpk my favorite form factor
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GWG I retired my NUC from home server duty
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GWG I use a mini ITX system
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GWG Slightly larger, but more customization options
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vilhalmer I run an old desktop UPS, works fine for the occasional instantaneous blip or short outages
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vilhalmer I don't manage QoS stuff
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vilhalmer my server is rack form factor but not actually in a rack, I just liked the flexibility of the case
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GWG For Weather Station Beta and Charlie, I use an ECS Liva which is similar to a Pi
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[Raphael_Luckom] Another question, feel free to ignore if I'm getting annoying: what kind of setup would you recommend to someone who hadn't had a website but wanted to self host? Would you suggest using a hosting service until they got used to it, or are there specific configurations you'd recommend when they're ready?
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[KevinMarks] this sounds complicated https://www.industrialempathy.com/posts/image-optimizations/
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Zegnat [KevinMarks]: that is what you get when every optimisation becomes a new opt-in thing and never becomes the default for <img>
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Loqi Zegnat: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 21 hours, 14 minutes ago: Rats! I always forget to disable the debugging. It will have to wait until tomorrow.
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Loqi Zegnat: jeremycherfas left you a message 9 hours, 6 minutes ago: Many thanks for the alert. Debug removed and pagination fixed, as far as I can tell. something else may of course be broken in the meantime.
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Zegnat It does seem like a pretty nice and complete article. Apart from the lazy rendering through CSS (content-visibility & contain-intrinsic-size), I think I knew of all those methods. I still often will not bother though, because plain <img> is right there :P
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