#dev 2021-01-04

2021-01-04 UTC
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GWG Got my openweathermap api account unlocked
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GWG Good
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btrem I've tried to post an rsvp to three different indie web meetings. The post appears to be ok. I followed the directions on issuing a webmention via curl. I get a 200 ok response with a json object. But nothing appears on the page. Do I have to be a registered member of indie web for it to work?
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GWG Can I see the RSVP URL?
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btrem stand by while I copy the url...
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btrem https://btrem.com/
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aaronpk are you posting to events.indieweb.org?
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btrem And here's a link to the json I received from curl:
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btrem https://btrem.com/rsvp.json
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aaronpk so yes
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aaronpk if you have never visited events.indieweb.org while logged in to the wiki then your rsvp is in the moderation queue
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aaronpk https://events.indieweb.org/moderate
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aaronpk so if you log in to the wiki as btrem.com then visit that page then your RSVPs will be automatically accepted
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btrem Ok. So I have to register in some fashion. Yes?
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aaronpk there's no registration
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aaronpk just log in to indieweb.org
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aaronpk then visit events.indieweb.org
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btrem By "log in" I assume you mean create an account on the wiki. Do you mean something else?
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aaronpk it's not really "creating an account" either, it's just logging in
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aaronpk there's no, like, form to fill out
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btrem Is this on the events page where it suggests sending an rsvp? I don't recall seeing it. I'm not trying to be negative -- honest -- I'm just wondering if I missed something.
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aaronpk no it's a relatively undocumented anti-spam thing
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btrem Ah.
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aaronpk most people who are posting RSVPs to the event page have long ago logged in to the wiki at some point
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aaronpk so it was an easy filter that most of the time requires no additional work for anyone
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btrem I see. That seems a little strange to me. There's no way for an outsider to have figured that out. :-o
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aaronpk well it's not rejected, it's in the moderation queue
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btrem I mean, I get the anti-spam thing. That makes sense.
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aaronpk anyone logged in can approve it
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btrem Yeah, but I rsvp'ed to two previous events, and it apparently never made it out of the queue.
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aaronpk i suppose i could make the webmention response tell you that it's in the moderation queue, but frankly few people actually look at the webmention response anyway
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btrem The rsvp.json link I posted is for the Dec. meeting. :-/
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aaronpk i see your RSVP on the page
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btrem Yeah, that makes sense. But it was hard for me to know why it had failed.
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aaronpk for the december meeting
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aaronpk https://events.indieweb.org/2020/12/homebrew-website-club-the-americas-iCQoviBRPr7r
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btrem Strange. Ok, that's on me. I swear I checked numerous times and it didn't show up.
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GWG So, how would we address that in the future
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aaronpk the one in the moderation queue is for jan 6
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aaronpk "Webmention Received Jan 2, 2021 3:15pm from btrem.com"
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btrem Well, it's not a big deal. But perhaps if the json response included a note that it's in a moderation queue, that would have let me know what was going wrong.
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btrem And that I had done it correctly.
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aaronpk yeah that's an easy thing to do and i don't think would cause any harm in this case
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btrem Again, not a big deal. I'm not trying to be a pita.
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btrem But at least on one of those meetings I submitted the webmention several times because it didn't seem to do anything.
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aaronpk i'm already parsing the webmention synchronously which is why you can see the parsed result of the rsvp in the response
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aaronpk well, i noted this so i don't forget https://github.com/aaronpk/Meetable/issues/116
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GWG aaronpk: By the way, did you ever switch over to OWM?
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aaronpk i switched to something
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GWG aaronpk: Okay.
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aaronpk yes openweathermap
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aaronpk so all my posts have weather info from there now
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btrem Thanks for the replies. I'm new to webmentions, so it's good to know that I got it right.
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btrem I'm switching from a simple site of a few pages to a (still simple) static blog. Probably with 11ty. Hopefully I'll be able to at least partially automate the rsvp process.
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GWG btrem: I've discovered I'd rather do the work of automation because if it takes too long to do things manually...
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GWG I won't do it
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btrem Yes, that's generally my experience. Plus it's neat to watch things happen automagically. :)
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btrem But my current server is shared hosting with cpanel, and no ssh access. That might makes things difficult.
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btrem I like the guy who runs it, but I sort of want to move on to a host that offers ssh. It just makes things easier.
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[Emma_Humphries] I've got a minimal version of my new project, a post-by-email blog app, up and running. https://fresh-indigo-booth.glitch.me/
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[Emma_Humphries] The project on glitch is: https://glitch.com/edit/#!/fresh-indigo-booth
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[Emma_Humphries] I'm using Sendgrid's webhooks for email addresses to catch the emails.
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[Emma_Humphries] for now I'm calling it V60 as in the coffee brewer.
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[Emma_Humphries] and it's now at v60.app
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[Emma_Humphries] https://v60.app
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[schmarty] [Emma_Humphries] ++ very cool!
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sknebel_ [Emma_Humphries] ++
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sknebel jeremycherfas: https://twitter.com/mararosade/status/1330841171724279812
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@mararosade Welcome to cuteness #JuliaLang https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EngYpFlWMAQa_Mv.png (twitter.com/_/status/1330841171724279812)
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jeremycherfas Yeah. https://github.com/solarissmoke/php-moon-phase/
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jeremycherfas From https://p1k3.com/2020/12/28/#displaying%20moon%20phase%20emojis%20for%20current%20phase%20of%20moon
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GWG jeremycherfas: I wrote my own moon phase code by looking at a lot of others
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jeremycherfas I'm sure your's has many more than eight phases. I trust you use an actual image of the moon and adjust the opacity of an overlay.
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jeremycherfas Opacity and position.
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GWG jeremycherfas: No, just icons right now
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jeremycherfas is disappointed.
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GWG jeremycherfas: The set has 16 svgs for moon
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jeremycherfas Fair enough.
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@Juice10 ↩️ Great idea! Thanks for sharing the article! I was totally unaware of webmentions, they seem really cool! (twitter.com/_/status/1346158189100859392)
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btrem what is the webmentions tweet in reply to? (I'm not on twitter, so I can't always figure out how to find my way around.)
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Zegnat btrem: https://nitter.net/Juice10/status/1346158189100859392 shows the whole thread
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btrem Thank you kind indie-web person.
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Zegnat so very welcome ;)
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@shazow ↩️ Might want to add rel=nofollow to your webmentions, or else they'll become a high-value SEO spammer honeypot (twitter.com/_/status/1346189503430615042)
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GWG Zegnat: Do you own the domain Kindindiewebperson.me ?
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Zegnat Ha. No.
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hoschi-it There is one thing that I just didn't get: What distinguishes an h-card from a representative h-card? (https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhoschi-it.de says I have multiple of them.)
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GWG hoschi-it: Which represents the author of the page
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hoschi-it @GWG ah alright. How do I show than on the level of html?
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GWG What is representative h-card?
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Loqi The representative h-card for a page is an h-card on that page that represents that page, if any, as not all pages are about a person or organization, a page might not have a representative h-card https://indieweb.org/representative_h-card
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GWG Try that
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hoschi-it :D nice. Thanks!
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GWG Loqi is our friendly helper
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GWG What is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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@theprincessxena ↩️ I need to do some work on the webmention service in general. It's on my TODO list and i'll get around to it at some point. (twitter.com/_/status/1346194751909982209)
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hoschi-it Alright. Though one has to ask questions in an explicit manner for loqi to find the answer. Not my big strength I guess. Thanks anyway @GWW
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hoschi-it @GWG sorry
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GWG hoschi-it: Otherwise we always help regardless
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GWG Loqi is just a big help in surfacing topocs
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GWG topics
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GWG hoschi-it: But he can only answer what is questions
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GWG Like...
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GWG What are webmentions
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Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/webmentions
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GWG We are happy to answer anything
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GWG Always starts with the wiki
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hoschi-it Ah. So it does a quick lookup in the wiki?
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hoschi-it Great.
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[tantek] sigh, rel=nofollow is not the answer to "SEO spammer" webmentions, but rather deleting them in the first place. Don't accept links to garbage on your website, why is that not obvious?
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[tantek] re: that shazow tweet above
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@plfstr ↩️ Webmentions goes some way to joining them together (twitter.com/_/status/1346196047752818691)
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Zegnat Can you remove webmentions from the hosted services? webmentions.io and the heroku one? Question because I am not sure "don't accept links to garbage" is possible if people are using receiver services.
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hoschi-it For webmentions.io in General: you can delete webmentions. Someone else knows about heroku hosting?
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[KevinMarks] I use the Heroku one but haven't deleted any webmentions. And mention.tech doesn't have that either. So maybe a user side blocklist?
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[KevinMarks] Also, if you're implementing webmention, webmention.rocks is really handy
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btrem I'm trying to figure out 11ty and I've hit a roadblock. Trying to do my first site build, I get this error:
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btrem Error in your Eleventy config file '/Users/bt/Sites/btrem.com/.eleventy.js'.
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btrem Well that's true, it is not defined there. Nor is in any tutorials I have come across so far. DDG searches for the error messages have not come up with anything promising. Any ideas for what to search for or what page to look at?
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btrem Wait, I think I resolved the error.
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[Raphael_Luckom] [tantek] I was wondering about that too when I saw the tweet...like I remember pingback spam back when I had a wp site but...just use some kind of filter? I'm a little curious about who's pumping out webmention spam anyway...it doesn't seem like that big of a target.
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[snarfed] lots of background on https://indieweb.org/spam
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GWG We hope to have an anti-spam solution before webmention spam becomes popular
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[tantek] [Raphael_Luckom] it's a many layered problem. the /spam page has some more as snarfed points out. At the highest level there was an error in inventing "Pingbacks" as a new UI thing instead of just being a transport protocol for peer-to-peer comments, and processed as such. Eventually people tolerated pingbacks being more "spammy" than comments perhaps because they were a separate "lower quality" thing.
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[Raphael_Luckom] The spam page is really useful, thanks
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[Raphael_Luckom] I wonder how much of the wordpress spam is enabled by the homogeneity of the wordpress ecosystem. Like is wordpress structured such that the pingback url is a known path on the domain, and does that affect spammability
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GWG [Raphael_Luckom]: Pingbacks always have a header, as do webmentions on the site for discovery
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[Raphael_Luckom] Anyone have good experiences with cloud / service providers other than aws/gcp/azure? [snarfed] mentioned Backblaze a while ago, and I assume some people use cloudflare. I've been trying to figure out how many different providers offer object storage _with_ event notification, pay-as-you-go nosql, and "serverless" functions. Even if a provider doesn't offer all three.
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@samgriesemer Implementing a simple webmention-based comment system for http://samgriesemer.com; testing tweet discovery on https://samgriesemer.com/Webmention with this thread (twitter.com/_/status/1346242993804750849)
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