#dev 2021-04-28
2021-04-28 UTC
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@tomlarkworthy ↩️ It's a feature in my notebooks, I am adding a load of IndieAuth stuff (including a server) in https://observablehq.com/collection/@endpointservices/indieauth/2 (twitter.com/_/status/1387302386503401474)
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[Murray] @petermolnar it's a bit cursed, but I've seen fallbacks that use `background-image` to place the png, which is then covered up by the SVG for browsers that support it. There may be a way to combo that with CSS `@supports` so that it is removed for more modern browsers, or you could always use JS to remove that style.
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[KevinMarks] can you use the src vs srcset technique?
# [KevinMarks] put the svg in srcset, and the old browser will use src?
# [KevinMarks] more techniques here https://css-tricks.com/a-complete-guide-to-svg-fallbacks/
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petermolnar the <image> trick looks interesting
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[schmarty] snarfed++ for the excellent glitch.com custom domain sleuthing
# [schmarty] i got a big hint visiting the http:// version of the site which showed not `found: kapowski.schmarty.net`
# [schmarty] so i went to my project and removed the custom domain, then added it back, and 🎉 it works again. 🤷♂️
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# [schmarty] tantek: that was the spirit in which I tried it 😂
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Poorchop I could use some tips regarding an implementation for sending webmentions - I was thinking of aggregating all of my posts in an xml file that gets autoupdated with every new post, then writing a script to parse that file depending on the depth/number of items that I specify which I call after pushing changes to my site
# Poorchop I'm not really sure how to implement sending webmentions for updated posts though
# Poorchop do I need to create a database of all sent webmentions with associated URLs and then regularly check if the URL has changed in order to decide whether to re-send webmentions?
# Poorchop a lot of this sounds prohibitively confusing for the average layman
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barnabywalters greetings Poorchop!
# Poorchop oh I thought that was referring to updates on the receiving end
# Poorchop as in a post that I mentioned in the past was updated or moved to a new location
# Poorchop I don't know if I'm going to implement receiving webmentions, it's incredibly tough for someone like me to write an implementation
# barnabywalters Poorchop: I suppose you know about https://webmention.io/?
# Poorchop I figured that it would just be easier to send them once I work out the logic for updating my posts
# Poorchop yes
# Poorchop I just don't want to rely on a third party service, that's a major reason why I host my own site in the first plac
# Poorchop yeah but I was approaching this from the perspective as being something that the average person on geocities could've implemented back in the day
# Poorchop that's definitely not the case
# barnabywalters well, if you don’t want to implement your own incoming webmention handling, then relying on webmention.io is a reasonable compromise for still being able to show reactions to your posts
# Poorchop true
# Poorchop I'm not too concerned with receiving webmentions anyway, I don't want to know who is reading my site - I just want to let other people know that I'm reading their stuff so that they don't disappear
# [KevinMarks] What is your site coded in? There may be an existing webmention receiving library you can use
# Poorchop it's just html and css with some python scripts handling some automation
# Poorchop I saw mf2util and I think that I'll need to use it for sending mentions
# Poorchop in order to parse for the endpoint or whatever
# Poorchop it's a weird process because I make changes locally and then upload via ftp, so I gotta remember to run the webmention script on the server when everything is in finally in the right place
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# Poorchop is there a test endpoint that automatically deletes received mentions after some time? I don't want my test to be on https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention forever
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# barnabywalters you can delete webmentions by sending a webmention again, but having the source URL return a 410 Gone response
# barnabywalters …in theory. not sure how many implementations actually support that
# barnabywalters mine definitely doesn, yet
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# petermolnar (so, this is not for -chat) for HWC Europe: https://github.com/eentzel/htmltruncate.py - this is what I used to truncate HTML instead of a full fledged parsing unit
# [KevinMarks] did Quill's email support go away?
# [KevinMarks] https://quill.p3k.io/email says not available
# [KevinMarks] poorchop: we have a couple of webmention receiving implementations in python
# Poorchop thanks
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# [snarfed] also https://github.com/Ryuno-Ki/webmention-tools and https://github.com/snarfed/webutil/blob/master/webmention.py (very new and immature)
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# Poorchop I'm getting "HTTP/1.1 405 Method Not Allowed" when sending a webmention via curl as described in the your-first-webmention post
# Poorchop trying to send it to webmention.rocks/test/4
# Poorchop it definitely looks like I typed everything correct - could the problem be using the in-reply-to class?
# Poorchop u-in-reply-to*
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aaronpk for #4, the webmention endpoint is https://webmention.rocks/test/4/webmention not https://webmention.rocks/test/4
# Poorchop sending it to the URL with the webmention endpoint as the target
# Poorchop oh
# Poorchop awesome, it mostly worked thanks
# Poorchop "The post did not provide a URL, using source instead" not sure what I missed
# Poorchop but it showed up at least
# Poorchop I'm guessing because I didn't add a timestamp
# Poorchop got it
# barnabywalters I like how webmention.rocks is sneakily also a basic h-entry validator
# barnabywalters come to test webmentions, leave with valid h-entry markup because your test report looked so much prettier that way
# Poorchop can I provide a u-url without wrapping it around a time tag?
# Poorchop or is that a webmention violation or something
# barnabywalters you can provide u-url however you want
# Poorchop thanks
# barnabywalters just add class="u-url" to an <a> element on the page which contains the canonical URL of the post
# barnabywalters (where “contains” means “is in the href attribute”, ovbiously)
# Poorchop even though I do this in the RSS feed, it's kind of funny referencing the URL of a post that doesn't exist yet before pushing to the server
# barnabywalters you can see how your page gets parsed for microformats here: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Funseensounds.com%2Fnotes%2F2021%2F04%2F28%2Freply.html
# Poorchop nice
# Poorchop yeah I was just about to add it as "permalink" text
# barnabywalters I suppose a <link> element would be more appropriate for truly hidden links
# barnabywalters but having hidden data is a microformats anti-pattern anyway
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# Poorchop I've spent hours trying to get the layout right versus minutes on trying to actually send a mention
# Poorchop CSS is once again the final boss
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@LyricDominick Me: Let's rewrite the CSS My site: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzMHLhIVgBgkZSI.png (twitter.com/_/status/1383457409495011330)
# petermolnar ok, I burst into laugh
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