#dev 2022-01-27

2022-01-27 UTC
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[tantek] regarding readers and feeds and streams: https://newpublic.substack.com/p/-what-comes-after-the-social-feed
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capjamesg[d] I'll have to give that a read!
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capjamesg[d] I have deliberately not added infinite scroll to my feed reader. I have to click / tap "view older posts" which I rarely do.
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@zachleat Still obsessed with my webmention facepiles—long mitigated by lazy loading and embarrassingly shoveling them into a… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1486711584902631435 (twitter.com/_/status/1486711584902631435)
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@zachleat ↩️ Good questions! I did file an issue upstream https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/126 and “The ×286 image count likely includes some duplicates due to HTTP 301 redirects.” (twitter.com/_/status/1486714534865739776)
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@nhoizey ↩️ I made a comment on the issue: https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/126#issuecomment-1023314215 (twitter.com/_/status/1486718737642188808)
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aaronpk 133 days until webmention.io's 10 year anniversary
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2022-06-09 3:20pm UTC (#6918)
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aaronpk 126 days until one week until webmention.io's 10 year anniversary
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2022-06-02 3:20pm UTC (#6919)
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aaronpk that's a little terrifying
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aaronpk 6.2gb and 557k avatars stored by webmention.io right now
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[snarfed] webmention.io++ aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (119 in all channels)
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Loqi webmention.io has 1 karma over the last year
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capjamesg[d] webmention.io++
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Loqi webmention.io has 2 karma over the last year
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aaronpk i've been stuck implementing new stuff on it because of how old some of the codebase is, specifically the DB wrapper
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aaronpk i should really make a list of all the things i want to do with it, then figure out whether to incrementally swap out bits or basically start over
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[snarfed] ugh, no easy answers there, that way lie dragons
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[snarfed] :hugdev:, or something
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aaronpk Yeah it's tough
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aaronpk but it's really not motivating to work on it right now in this state
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aaronpk Not to mention also a challenge to set up a dev environment that old 😅
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aaronpk I just had an interesting thought.. what if I turn Aperture into a webmention server
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[snarfed] 🤔
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aaronpk It's already got most of the things I want to add to webmention.io
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[snarfed] bundling and unbundling... 😎
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aaronpk like one of the big features i want to add to webmention.io is giving you an actual view of what webmentions have come in
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aaronpk both just so you can see them, but also so that you can better delete/block things
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aaronpk and then of course one of the next places to go from there is being able to reply to webmentions you've received
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aaronpk and then that starts sounding a lot like a reader
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aaronpk so now i'm thinking actually webmention isn't a feature by itself, it's just plumbing under a reader
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[snarfed] maybe!
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[snarfed] tricky though. wm.io is very clearly plumbing as a service right now. readers are user facing applications. very different use cases and audiences
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[snarfed] not that you're wrong, just...sounds complicated to get right
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aaronpk technically aperture is also plumbing right now since it requires a reader app to be useful
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[snarfed] sure! so then personal architecture decision, where on the monolith/microservice spectrum do you want to be
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capjamesg[d] aaronpk I was in a similar situation.
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capjamesg[d] I decided to keep things separate to make it easier for me to manage everything.
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capjamesg[d] Also I built everything separately and at the time of building my webmention sender/receiver I didn't really know social readers existed as a concept.
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capjamesg[d] I can see a reader acting both as a reader and a webmention service.
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capjamesg[d] And it would give people one less thing to set up.
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capjamesg[d] But I don't know how that applies to webmention.io since it is such an established service and known for doing one thing really well.
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[schmarty] love this avatar issue and solution because it's yet another example is image proxies as a building block
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[schmarty] *example of
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[schmarty] What is an image proxy?
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Loqi An image proxy is a service that fetches and re-serves images from a new URL, used by IndieWeb sites to provide better performance, fidelity, and/or reliability of images embedded in posts https://indieweb.org/image_proxy
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[tantek] I still have too much distrust of random avatars to display them. the pixelation approach (I forget who proposed that) has some appeal, like maybe even down to 3x3 grid
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[schmarty] image proxy << example use for webmention avatars https://www.zachleat.com/web/back-to-the-facepile/
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Loqi ok, I added "example use for webmention avatars https://www.zachleat.com/web/back-to-the-facepile/" to the "See Also" section of /image_proxy https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79373&oldid=79325
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[tantek] aaronpk's blue/green dots thing on his home page is a good example of reducing pixels to minimize/avoid abuse
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[tantek] what is pixelation
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pixelation" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "pixelation is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[manton] Skimming through this Block Protocol thing… Found via https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2022/01/27/making-the-web-better-with-blocks/. Seems to be a little HTML + JS + Schema, coming from Joel’s other new company Hash.
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[manton] Curious if anyone else has looked at for IndieWeb (or WordPress block editor) implications.
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@aswath Web 1.01 - Indieauth, all the goodness of the three schemes and then some. By the way, a Wallet in essence {Username, assword} and then a Password manager. Agree? (twitter.com/_/status/1486774754354810888)
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jacky re: https://blockprotocol.org/
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jacky I was looking for a way to define this in an editor
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jacky mainly to see if I can use the same editor in a edtior like Twitter and another like Tumblr
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jacky glad someone's looking into it
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jacky I was definitely looking at it from the code side (how to convert a few paragraphs with /tags, /contacts and some sort of /reply-context and make that into something presentable)
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GWG- [manton]: I have not
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jacky looks like there's some code to look at too https://github.com/hashintel/hash
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jacky and a mention of 'hEngine'
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Loqi [hashintel] hash: Next-gen data management, modeling, and simulation
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jacky https://hash.ai/platform/engine
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jacky lol and hCore and hCloud
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jacky schema naming collision when?
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capjamesg[d] That is cool jacky.
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jacky I think the thing that's tripping me up is the need for it to be associated to an account
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jacky which makes it more like a constant polling game
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jacky I do think that, in the same vein of something like /indieconfig, some sort of Web-based editor that's a bit WYIWYG-esque, can help people compose things for their site
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@301062K51219 Einkaufsparadies | 1234,4! | Webmentions https://kuemmerle.name/27-1-02022 (twitter.com/_/status/1486781848638341125)
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[manton] I think the challenge I’m running into is I don’t really understand what Hash actually is. 🙂 And so it’s not clear how tightly Block Protocol is part of its Hash roots or whether it’s actually something that would be useful as a component embedding thing for any platform.
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[manton] Probably should ignore this for a while. The name collision with hCore, etc. is funny, though, [jacky]. Hope they don’t make an hFeed.
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[tantek] lol [manton]
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[tantek] does this mean we shouldn't make an h-core
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[tantek] in other news 🙄 https://twitter.com/runcari/status/1486520489493344267
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@runcari @t @Insidetrail let me buy this account dm me! (twitter.com/_/status/1486520489493344267)
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[tantek] on a positive note: does anyone have a /linktree page on their site (top level like that) that re-engineers the default styling of linktree using only HTML+CSS, no JS? (or consider it a "simple" IndieWeb hack project)
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[tantek] of course the goal would be to open source it as a standalone static one-pager that others could clone and edit the link/text contents
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[tantek] I’m asking because I’m considering doing it for my own site, and then linking from single-profile-URL silos with it that don't otherwise support rel=me
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aaronpk I modified one from here which I'm pretty sure is no JS https://github.com/MichaelBarney/LinkFree
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[aciccarello] I have a simple /links page. I thought there was a link to a glitch project on the wiki too.
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[tantek] "LinkFree" is brilliant renaming
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[tantek] especially because in a URL /linkfree looks close enough to /linktree 😂
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[tantek] jacky, and other folks familiar with the Internet Archive dweb meetups, you might be interested in this today (which I think starts in ~10min!) https://metro.org/events/decentralized-web-introduction
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[tantek] aaronpk, where is your linkfree 😂
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[tantek] linkinbio << https://github.com/MichaelBarney/LinkFree — open source alternative to [[LinkTree]]
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/MichaelBarney/LinkFree — open source alternative to [[LinkTree]]" to the "See Also" section of /link_in_bio https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79374&oldid=79345
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aaronpk omg there are so many themes now
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jacky oh dang I was in another dweb meeting actually
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jacky looks like it's meant to be very into
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jacky omg they're quoting Silicon Valley the show hahaha
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Loqi rofl
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[tantek] oh no that sounds like hell (quoting SV)
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jacky yeah lol
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jacky the example he had (people having more computing power in their pockets now so to build something that can leverage that)
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jacky was the good part
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[tantek] yes, that I fully agree with. computing power + storage
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capjamesg[d] What is IPFS?
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Loqi IPFS is short for InterPlanetary File System, potentially a static site storage method using content based addressing https://indieweb.org/IPFS
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capjamesg[d] I wish Beaker Browser was still in active development.z
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capjamesg[d] That is a vision of the web I love re: read/write/create literally in your browser.
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capjamesg[d] jacky how was the meetup overall?
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jacky it's still going :)
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jacky beaker's like passively maintained
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jacky you can get support in the Hypercore Discord
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jacky https://discord.gg/qSbxaZUu (invite link)
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capjamesg[d] Ah really?
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jacky yeah
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jacky is a bit active in that discord
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[tantek] BTW, that workshop was one of a series, in case anyone is interested in the follow-ups: https://blog.archive.org/2022/01/11/imagining-a-better-online-world-exploring-the-decentralized-web/
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capjamesg[d] jacky++
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Loqi jacky has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (62 in all channels)
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[KevinMarks] I bought linkylinky.link but I haven't used it yet
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gRegor You should definitely use it as linkylinky.link/y
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Loqi +1