#dev 2022-05-07

2022-05-07 UTC
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> jamietanna is push to login your Okta one tap implementation?
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jamietanna1 capjamesg yep! I'm sure you've asked + seen https://www.jvt.me/posts/2020/11/11/okta-factors-api-passwordless/ before but that's how I've done it
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Loqi [Jamie Tanna] Setting up Passwordless Authentication using the Okta Factors API
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@MuireallPrase I spent a few minutes setting up identity/content markup to my site, following https://indiewebify.me/. Webmentions don't look too difficult, either, but it seems a little premature since I mostly keep to myself. (twitter.com/_/status/1522958840983085057)
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AshMcAllan[m] Apparently multiple file uploads are my next task, according to what's annoying me the most. :/
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sknebel I think I got the link from here back then, did anybody look into this blockprotocol thing more? (https://blockprotocol.org/)
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jacky I haven't but I've been trying to remember this site
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jacky it kinda sucks that in order for things like interoperability to catch on, you gotta 'sell' it
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vika_nezrimaya Locks are evil. Locks are the most evil thing in the world. Going lockless for reads seems like a good decision. Just make sure creates are atomic and updates can't conflict with each other
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vika_nezrimaya I think I finally beat that bug I was bashing for months. I bombarded my server with tons of requests and it's still up
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vika_nezrimaya If it doesn't hang in span of several days, I'm gonna consider my work complete
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vika_nezrimaya and all I had to do was to get rid of locks on files read... and then make writes compete for an atomic file creation where losers bail out and tell clients to retry
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[tantek] sknebel, we had a critical dialog about blockprotocol when it came out
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[tantek] this was the subtweet at the time: https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/1486878308180832256
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@slightlylate Perhaps I'm naive and new to this stuff, but if you're gonna propose an "open protocol for the web", maybe do it based on open standards? Just spitballing. (twitter.com/_/status/1486878308180832256)
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[tantek] sknebel, more:
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[tantek] The VERY FIRST block / schema / property is a classic western-centric error:
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[tantek] > So the schema for a *Person* has the properties *firstName*
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[tantek] It's only since the 1990s that we've had vCard's international-aware property *given-name* 🙄 (which was re-used by hCard, vCard4, h-card, schema-org/Person etc.)
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[tantek] It should have been based on a spectrum of "just" existing plain HTML elements (with *maybe* additional attributes) to Web Components which both already have much better understood security characteristics/concerns/precautions etc.
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[tantek] Inventing a bunch of one-off JSON for this use-case is a classic example not understanding the existing technology stack (and how to use its existing features) and so introducing another (unnecessary) layer of abstraction on top.
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[tantek] I mean seriously the diagram in the image preview literally is *mostly pre-existing HTML elements* (or trivial pairings thereof): paragraph/<p>, heading<hn>, list/<ol>/<ul>, quote/<blockquote>,
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[tantek] code/<pre><code>, preformatted/<pre>, pullquote/<blockquote class="pullquote">, image/<img>, audio/<audio>
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[tantek] Build Web Components for "verse" and "markdown" and "gallery" and you're basically done. of course this would mean using HTML as HTML and not just as a JS-delivery wrapper
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[tantek] The image preview I mean here: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2022/01/27/making-the-web-better-with-blocks/
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[tantek] Previously: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2022-01-28#t1643338171333700
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Loqi [[tantek]] heh: https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/1486878308180832256
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[tantek] rest of critique may have been in -chat at the time. I copy pasted some bits I could find
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sknebel [tantek]++
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