#dev 2022-05-10

2022-05-10 UTC
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[tantek] IMO webmaster is the expertise reference, just like Masters of Science, Masters of Arts etc., and those aren't being renamed
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[tantek] also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbourmaster
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[tantek] ah, webmaster comes from postmaster: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmaster
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GWG I'm also fine with being a webmaster
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GWG As long as the people who look up to me are still called apprentices
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@JasonRouet Retour sur ma participation au hackathon de la Cloudfest en mars 2022 : je parle #cfhack, #WordPress, #webmention et #indieweb. http://www.jasonna.de/hackathon-de-la-cloudfest-2022-une-histoire-de-train-de-flammenkuche-et-de-standard-du-web/ (twitter.com/_/status/1523980158130135040)
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@person72443 #webmention is just...magic. Instead of getting comments on twitter, substack, your blog, etc etc. It just all come… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1523557104287576065 (twitter.com/_/status/1523557104287576065)
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petermolnar regarding db tax, what is our stance with sqlite? Because https://www.sqlite.org/locrsf.html
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aaronpk wow i didn't know that
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aaronpk well at least there's no separate running service to maintain since it's all just a fancy file
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aaronpk I am curious how sqlite addresses this one "Transparency. Degree to which the digital representation is open to direct analysis with basic tools, such as human readability using a text-only editor."
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petermolnar what, you don't read gzipped text? :P
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@nezirzahirovic A Ruby gem for sending Webmention notifications. (from 28/05/2020) #twitterbot #ruby #rails #rubyonrails #rubydeveloper #railsdeveloper #programming https://www.rubyonrails.ba/single/a-ruby-gem-for-sending-webmention-notifications (twitter.com/_/status/1524049193844854784)
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[chrisaldrich] The linguist in me notes that the tweet above from @person72443 is the first time I've seen someone verbify Substack as "substacks"
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[chrisaldrich] I've seen a few people in the static site generator space thinking about how they might add ActivityPub compatibility to their sites. I know some with dynamic sites have, but are we aware of any who've done this in the SSG space already?
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aaronpk Bridgy Fed?
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[tantek] good find petermolnar++
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Loqi petermolnar has 10 karma in this channel over the last year (47 in all channels)
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[tantek] aaronpk, the transparency question is answered here: https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000461.shtml#local
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[tantek] database antipattern << Counter-argument for SQLLite in particular: Its storage format is a US Library of Congress Recommended Storage Format for datasets per https://www.sqlite.org/locrsf.html and https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000461.shtml#local
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Loqi ok, I added "Counter-argument for SQLLite in particular: Its storage format is a US Library of Congress Recommended Storage Format for datasets per https://www.sqlite.org/locrsf.html and https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000461.shtml#local" to the "See Also" section of /database-antipattern https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=81368&oldid=80736
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jacky aaronpk: I think the text editor bit is kinda hard
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jacky but like I haven't looked at my db in a text editor
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jacky well okay
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jacky it's really just text with occassional binary
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jacky like this is my local copy of Koype https://imgur.com/mk1aUDj
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jacky that's mainly the tail end of the database when printed out with `cat`
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jacky with JSON jobs stored in there (couldn't be bothered to do a polymorphic table association lol)
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jacky and the SQL to generate the tables and what not are all there in plain text
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jacky heavy bias from me b/c I use SQLite for everything :)
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[KevinMarks] You can store mysql tables as csv, but query times are worse.
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[KevinMarks] https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/csv-storage-engine.html
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[KevinMarks] It's always a table scan, no indexing.
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[snarfed] fortunately that difference may be negligible for most personal sites
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jacky indeed
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jacky though I soon might be pushing the limit, lol
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jacky I saw someone provide a means of putting a graph database within SQLite
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jacky and I think it'll be ideal to implemenet a way to do micropub queries for particular properties
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jacky (like checking if I liked a post already)
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[KevinMarks] Graph databases are tricky as you end up doing lots of self joins for traversal
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jacky yeah
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jacky I was planning to wrap the queries shown at https://github.com/dpapathanasiou/simple-graph/tree/main/sql
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[snarfed] jacky how many posts does your site have?
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jacky good question
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jacky goes to run a query
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jacky 11,783 for my older v2.jacky.wtf pending backfill and 1,553 for my current site
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jacky I only expect the rate of posts to increase as I find new ways to add things to my site
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jacky scrobbles would be noisy so it'd probably be squished into a daily /collection post
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jacky unironically, the most of the posts I have in my new site are likes
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jacky it's likes, notes, replies, bookmarks in my top post types
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[KevinMarks] Thread (read up) https://twitter.com/jack/status/1524096912705703943?t=2lvC4aYb3jqAXoRWHUTfTQ&s=19
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@jack @kevinmarks @fredwilson @danprimack @elonmusk and was a mistake to do so. company has done a lot of good work to correct that (twitter.com/_/status/1524096912705703943)
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[KevinMarks] [snarfed] - how is api2 looking? Do you have a post to link?
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk, I'd thought about Bridgy Fed as an option for SSGs, but do we actually have examples of people using it there? I did a quick search last night but nothing stuck out immediately.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Oh wow.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Interesting.
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[snarfed] [chrisaldrich] https://hugo.soucy.cc is one SSG that's used Bridgy Fed
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[snarfed] but in general Bridgy Fed is orthogonal to SSG vs dynamic
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[chrisaldrich] thanks snarfed! I know that there had to be at least one example if it were even possible.
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[tantek] nicely done [KevinMarks], correcting a VC and getting Jack's attention in one tweet 🙂
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> 🤣
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[tantek] portfolio << The challenge of creating / redesigning one, you’re not alone: https://twitter.com/FigmaAntichrist/status/1516481288860930048 (and community can help, see replies)
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@FigmaAntichrist I make websites all day, why can't I design my portfolio? 🙄 (twitter.com/_/status/1516481288860930048)
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Loqi ok, I added "The challenge of creating / redesigning one, you’re not alone: https://twitter.com/FigmaAntichrist/status/1516481288860930048 (and community can help, see replies)" to the "See Also" section of /portfolio https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=81371&oldid=79958
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@MuseResort ↩️ The specific part you need to mention (actually to #Webmention) is the genre page on our site. Then you ping us (if your story-sharing site does not do it) and then the magic happens. (twitter.com/_/status/1524113483972894723)
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[KevinMarks] I think they just reinvented technorati tags but for fic
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AramZ-S[m] I don't really have an objection to that!
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[tantek] KevinMarks except this is more distributed, as in each site decides which tag aggregation page they want to use as their taglink, links to it, and then uses Webmention to signal to that tag aggregation page that they'd like to be included in it. Allows for much finer grained community/meaning in usage of tags
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[tantek] quite a clever improvement over technorati tags
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AramZ-S[m] Not to mention, in theory, less work for the central maintaining site. A modest moderation task instead of a large aggregation one
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[tantek] a site like ours (indieweb.org) could even auto-approve inclusion (or prioritize listing) webmentions from sites that have signed in and created a profile/User: page (added to chat-names) etc.
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[tantek] imagine if each page had a "posts recently mentioning this page" section
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AramZ-S[m] Sort of like how 11ty is trying to set up their site listing.
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AramZ-S[m] Tying together github, twitter and their contributors
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> I like that idea.
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IWDiscordGateway <person> [KevinMarks] re: the tweet you shared. What work have they done? I've not noticed an increase Twitter support for anything open source/indie web. Not even RSS support. Am I missing something?
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[snarfed] [KevinMarks] mixed news so far on Twitter API v2, at least for me. on the positive side, it does indeed seem like they're less restrictive, eg "removing language in our Developer Policy that restricted how you build with Twitter’s core features": https://twittercommunity.com/t/ushering-in-a-new-era-for-the-twitter-developer-platform-with-the-twitter-api-v2/162087#todays-launch-2
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[snarfed] on the other hand, rate limits are still probably too low for Bridgy, notably the 2M tweets per month limit, https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/tweet-caps, especially expanded tweets (which you need to do almost anything) count 2x. (they know, they're working on Elevated+ access with a higher cap)
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