#dev 2022-06-17

2022-06-17 UTC
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@fundor333 How I implement Indieweb, Webmention and H Entry in My Blog #hentry #hugo #indiweb #twtxt https://fundor333.com/post/2022/indieweb-webmention-and-h-entry-in-my-blog/ (twitter.com/_/status/1537725754376605697)
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jacky what are webactions
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Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application, like a reply button on a post, which when activated, allows you to reply using your own site instead of the site you are viewing https://indieweb.org/webactions
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jacky so this is a bit of a weird idea
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jacky but I've been curious about how https://indieweb.org/Web_Action_URL_APIs#Mac_OS works and wondering if it'd make sense to get a scheme for desktop apps that support things like Micropub or the like
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jacky adds notes to wiki
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[snarfed] jacky++ love it
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Loqi jacky has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (57 in all channels)
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jacky tbh it would be something like `micropub://like-of=$URL` (kinda like mail links)
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[snarfed] even better, a desktop app that just loads your web app of choice
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[snarfed] is there already precedent for that? eg doesn't Gmail do it for mailto: links somehow?
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jacky yeah, I forget how that works
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[snarfed] https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9308783 👀
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jacky ahh it's only within the browser
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jacky that's fine tbh
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[snarfed] right
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jacky but I know that this is possible from the browser _and_ the desktop (like there's a convention)
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jacky adds to /itches
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[snarfed] sure. I was thinking this could be an alternative to web actions...?
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[snarfed] I assume this has already been thought through
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jacky yeah - like something that'd be able to open links from twitter, github, etc when detected
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jacky I'd have to play with it intercepting links in the browser though (might need an extension that could swap out links on those sites to open in the app)
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jacky like there's this app https://flathub.org/apps/details/re.sonny.Junction
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jacky that opens up every time a link is opened and lets you pick a web browser (I use it b/c I have like six of them, lol)
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jacky but I figure something that was a little smarter (like noticing links from silos or maybe if it has access to your nickname cache locally, it could match on URL prefixes to see if it's possibly something that could be viewed in a social reader real quick)
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[snarfed] also, stuff like capjamesg's poll responses
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[snarfed] those could just be micropub: URIs with each response prefilled?
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jacky [snarfed]: yup!
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jacky that'd be the most ideal setup
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[tantek] URIs aren't an "alternative" to web actions, they're two different layers. you could use different URIs as part of the plumbing for web actions
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[tantek] this is specifically why I named web actions based on the *UX*
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[tantek] back in the day there was a previous attempt at something vaguely trying to solve the same problem call "web intents" except that it was tied to very specific plumbing, which is of course a layer design error
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[tantek] just like calling things "RSS buttons"
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[snarfed] sure! understood, I think. I guess I was curious how scheme handlers might help implement web actions
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jacky ^
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@type__error #indieweb friends: has anyone managed to get http://brid.gy working with twitter replies? it comes up with likes and retweets, but seemingly not replies to my tweets with eligible URLs in :/ (twitter.com/_/status/1537844036710674432)
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@type__error ↩️ The code is fine. I pasted in some tweet URLs to the http://brid.gy UI to manually backfill them, and it's only pulled through likes and RTs (twitter.com/_/status/1537845849094606854)
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@type__error ↩️ yep, I've been working from @mxbck's post (https://mxb.dev/blog/using-webmentions-on-static-sites/) and @TheGreenGreek's one. The issue seems to be in the data I'm getting, rather than rendering it (twitter.com/_/status/1537846758356697088)
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@CarolSaysThings ↩️ Mine are working, so feel free to poke around my repo. I basically implemented this: https://sia.codes/posts/webmentions-eleventy-in-depth/ (twitter.com/_/status/1537846328058908673)
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@schnarfed ↩️ If those tweets are older, it's probably because Twitter's v1.1 search API, which Bridgy uses to find replies, is best effort and only includes the last week. https://brid.gy/about#can+be+flaky We're looking forward to the v2 API! But it's still incomplete, so we can't migrate just yet. (twitter.com/_/status/1537850426069962757)
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[Murray] In webmentio.io is there a way to tell apart pingbacks/trackbacks and webmentions? Or are they all webmentions?
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aaronpk hm no it doesn't return that in the API, but it would be easy to add since i am tracking the type
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aaronpk (it doesn't support trackbacks at all tho fwiw)
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GWG aaronpk: Did you get any sense of what Pingbacks are coming in?
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@type__error ↩️ I pasted an old tweet url into the “resend” box on http://brid.gy. Turns out it’s a limitation of the Twitter api that means it can’t grab old replies :( (twitter.com/_/status/1537865654556151810)
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[fluffy] For a while I had pingbacks enabled on webmention.io and I never once got a single legitimate pingback, but I got a crapton of spam.
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superkuh I log all post data. Yeah, there's still lots of spam.
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[Murray] [aaronpk] I meant in the dashboard; I have received some spam it seems, wondered if it might be useful, but the pages appear to have been deleted already, so I don't know how to tell
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aaronpk ah yeah it doesn't show there either. i added it kinda recently just for logging but didn't think about making that visible
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aaronpk oh, "relatively recently" heh, it was nov 2018
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[Murray] fair enough, I know people were talking recently about webmention spam, so wanted to point to it if it was 😄 As it stands, its breaking my site build script (apparently I don't have particularly robust error handling) so I'll delete them unless they're of any interest
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aaronpk i've got plenty more in there, don't worry :P
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[Murray] :thumbsup:
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[Murray] good to know 😄
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