#dev 2022-07-22

2022-07-22 UTC
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jacky xyzzydev[m]: that could be said for anything that's not hosted on AWS?
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jacky like that's the same issue that weakens AP because everyone keeps downloading the same images and videos onto their servers
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jacky s/AWS/$BIG_CORPORATE_PROVIDER
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jacky also IIRC video streaming has gotten better w.r.t load with things like HLS
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GWG In light of the current feelings on Russia, wondering if I should remove Yandex from my code as a location provider
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vikanezrimaya GWG: as a Russian, I'd say Yandex could potentially abuse its trust as a Google-tier corporation and become shady. They've already shown that they're doing shady stuff, like having their trackers on our e-government website and generally engaging in monopolistic practices.
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vikanezrimaya That alone is a good reason to consider staying away from them.
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GWG vikanezrimaya: I also have Google Maps, Bing Maps, Mapbox, Here Maps, TomTom, MapQuest, and a few more.
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vikanezrimaya They also decided to engage in price gouging on their cloud services after all the competitors stopped being able to accept Russian credit cards (thanks MasterCard! /s And yes I'm still sour about that)
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GWG I don't use them, but I want to have redundancy on map display.
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vikanezrimaya GWG: In that case, I think it's mostly fine. Have you considered OpenStreetMap as a data source, or am I misunderstanding the term "location provider"?
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GWG vikanezrimaya: They don't provide static maps. They do provide reverse geocoding, and they are my default option for that.
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GWG Oddly enough, despite it not being the default, most people seem to go for Google Maps.
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vikanezrimaya Ah, so you're pulling map tiles from them?
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vikanezrimaya I'm sorry, I just drank a cup of coffee after not drinking some, and my brain is a little bit slow.
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GWG vikanezrimaya: My personal instance generates maps from OSM Map Tiles. But I'm not going to suggest other people set up a tile server. So I supported a few APIs for them to choose from
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vikanezrimaya I think using Yandex for map tiles is a small enough use to not be considered evil.
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GWG I just wonder if 9 different choices is enough.
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vikanezrimaya If people have choice in this matter when setting up the software, I think there's no reason to artificially shrink that choice down by removing an option, at least.
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vikanezrimaya GWG: I think it's more than enough, considering one could also do the same as you and set up a tile server.
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GWG I'm about to do my yearly...check all the apis are up to date test
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[tantek] GWG, vikanezrimaya, here's a datapoint for you: https://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-98-0-1-has-one-big-change-remove-yandex-and-mail-ru-as-custom-offerings/
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vikanezrimaya I just documented a whole crate while procrastinating on important stuff, like working on my templates.
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vikanezrimaya It is still a good thing I managed to document it all, but I should be working on more important things!
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[jeremycherfas]1 WhT could be more important than documentation?
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vikanezrimaya [jeremycherfas]1: actual code that makes things work?
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vikanezrimaya Because without code there would eventually be nothing to document
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jeremycherfas Fair point, although I would argue that they could be considered one thing.
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jeremycherfas They aren't, often, but they could be.
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[schmarty] coming up in just under an hour is a HOPE conference talk about ActivityPub. curious to see what is said. livestream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQVElKl5X4I and talk details here https://scheduler.hope.net/new-hope/talk/YMEZ8K/
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Seirdy anyone know why rel=authorization_endpoint was replaced by rel=indieauth-metadata?
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Seirdy oh wait nvm, i see that it's a bit different
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Seirdy i.e. it has more data, including the auth endpoint
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[manton] Yeah, indieauth-metadata is relatively new, added to the spec just in the last year. Not sure how widely it’s supported yet, so clients should fall back on authorization_endpoint too.
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[manton] (I still haven’t gotten around to support -metadata.)
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capjamesg_ I think I implemented support for the authorization_endpoint value.
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capjamesg_ jvt.me too I think.
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Seirdy i'm not sure how useful it is, given that the metadata can also be picked up from the microformats.
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omz13 with -metadata, it brings IndieAuth in-line OAuth2; also it means adding new endpoints is easier as they are simply added into the -metadata file
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omz13 I don't have the exact stats of the top of my head, but most people implement -metadata via the wordpress plugin... and there are <10 other implementations in the wild
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Seirdy hmm i think generating the file from microformats could be interesting
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@DeEgge My experience with the IndieWeb, and how I made my website ready for it. https://chringel.dev/2022/07/indiewebify-me-and-dont-forget-my-webmentions/ #indieweb #webmention #posse (twitter.com/_/status/1550547785279234050)
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[Jamie_Tanna] Metadata defines much more than is currently available in the MF2 though - https://indieauth.jvt.me/.well-known/oauth-authorization-server
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[Jamie_Tanna] The new token introspection endpoint, for instance, is only in there
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aaronpk yes, that and the metadata document describes the indieauth server, not the user's website, which is the reason for moving all those other properties there instead of defining them from the user's website
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[tantek] ^ this is a VERY GOOD thing to explicit describe in a "Scope" section
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