#dev 2022-08-01

2022-08-01 UTC
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[tantek] [Jacob_Hall] see the last list item in this section: https://indieweb.org/h-feed#How_to_markup
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maxwelljoslyn u
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maxwelljoslyn angelo at what level are the apps on ragt.ag coordinated - assembled into a website using understory? or a la carte apps w/o web framework?
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maxwelljoslyn dont remember what's in what state rn
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@smaffulli I think that now the @OpenSourceOrg blog is fully capable of receiving #webmentions from Twitter thanks to #IndieWeb folks and http://brid.gy. More tests in the next few days. (twitter.com/_/status/1553917770269503489)
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@smaffulli I think that now the @OpenSourceOrg blog is fully capable of receiving #webmentions from Twitter thanks to #IndieWeb folks and http://brid.gy. More tests in the next few days. (twitter.com/_/status/1553917770269503489)
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[tantek] GitHub's not-logged-in UI is so confusing
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[tantek] massive green Sign Up button. top right also has a prominent Sign Up button, then only next to it in "plain text" with no affordance indicating that it's a button does it say "Sign In"
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[tantek] It's almost like they hate existing users and would rather people signed up with new accounts
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[tantek] also repository is a horrible piece of jargon
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[Jacob_Hall] [tantek] for a while, that plaintext "Sign In" button disappeared on a vertical mobile screen. It was so weird
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@TechTweetBot IndieAuth is an identity layer to obtain Tokens for use by Micropub clients https://www.w3.org/TR/indieauth/ (twitter.com/_/status/1554101633486917632)
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@soothshill ↩️ it’s also cool cause the like button will be using webmentions to ‘authenticate’/‘identify’ likes. you can only like if you indie-host ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1554102211898220545)
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cambridgeport90 Not only that, but will be nice when Twitter's BlueSky project decides to step up, though not sure if the Elon trying to terminate his Twitter buy deal Shinanegans messed that up at all?
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cambridgeport90 Am I completely off the mark here?
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cambridgeport90 But on the other hand, has anyone heard of Reaktor? https://reaktor.me, is the main web page. It's supposedly from Hamburg, and it's made as a AP-first CMS; could theoretically be extended to support Indieweb concepts, as well... though I think personally that AP is a form of Indieweb. I can understand if that's not going to be welcomed of an opinion in here, and I'm fine with that.
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[Murray] tantek: that is a pattern which seems oddly consistent (the giant SIGN UP and tiny, partially hidden _sign in_). Feels like an over-emphasis on signs ups within company KPIs or something 🤷‍♂️
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[tantek] Bluesky seems to have gone off the rails. After jack's "web5" statements, I can't take any of it seriously any more
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> See Netflix for another example of that [Murray].
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Big sign up form in the middle of the home page, much smaller sign in button.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Some sites make the Sign in button a lot harder to find.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> (i.e. big coloured sign up button and a text link to sign in)
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[tantek] I really don't understand why this is a thing. I mean they should be able to know via a cookie that you’ve signed in before, and even cookie your username/email that you used to sign-in
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aaronpk My bank does that
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aaronpk ive seen a few sites that say "welcome back Aaron" when I'm logged out
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[tantek] United also
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aaronpk Oh yeah!
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@mikevdev Really happy to see that webmention-handler is starting to get some usage by people other than lil 'old'me. #webmentions #indieweb #webdev #opensource https://github.com/vandie/webmention-handler (twitter.com/_/status/1554150756374151171)
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[schmarty] [manton] is there a place to follow development of meridian / latl.ong? i currently have the github open in a tab that i refresh every day or so. 😅
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[tantek] checks http://micro.blog/meridian (user not found)
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gRegor aaronpk, did you hear anything back on that OAuth article?
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aaronpk I got in touch with the author and am going to send him some feedback
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aaronpk he sent a draft to the authors of the security BCP, not the OAuth list, and they didn't have time to respond to him yet
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gRegor Cool. I paused on finishing the article until clarifications come out
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gRegor Re https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2022-07-30#t1659206190769000 [schmarty], it is on my list to support the metadata endpoint with indiebookclub.
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Loqi [[schmarty]] anyone here implemented an IndieAuth metadata endpoint? how about a client that uses it? i know i'm late to the game since it was added to the spec in Dec 2020 but it seems like we have no documented examples.
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gRegor I ran into the same token introspection endpoint question and think I set my metadata endpoint to "none" for the auth type, heh
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GWG gRegor: I did that too, despite spec, due lack of adoption so far
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aaronpk Overall he has some good analysis in there, it's just some nitpicky terminology things I want to clear up
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gRegor Yep, I think I followed your lead there GWG :)
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gRegor I don't really understand what the optimal process is there
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GWG gRegor: We tabled it. Either a token or basic auth
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GWG I just said I didn't care right now
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gRegor I understand the auth part, I mean I don't understand how/where that other auth method comes from.
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[tantek] This is interesting (also noted that github/indieweb is "verified") https://docs.github.com/en/enterprise-cloud@latest/organizations/managing-organization-settings/verifying-or-approving-a-domain-for-your-organization
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GWG gRegor: Maybe we need to talk it out
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[manton] [schmarty] Oh, we should have a blog for Meridian I guess! 🙂 Hoping to do some more work on it this week.
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[tantek] or even a microblog for Meridian 😉
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[manton] Yep, not sure why I haven’t done that yet.
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[schmarty] manton++ sweet, thanks! i am super interested in the future of meridian++
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[manton] We did roll out a prototype API server… The idea is this could be used for simple apps, or someone could clone it and spin up their own server and data, which is likely what Micro.blog will do. This is currently only loaded with a couple cities like Portland and Austin for testing. https://api.latl.ong/places/nearby?latitude=45.522186&longitude=-122.672948
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GWG [manton]: Interested as well
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GWG I started my venue search proxy code yesterday
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[manton] Great! Proxying through Micropub?
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jacky so very random: https://indieweb.org/Microsub-spec#Endpoints mention that authentication is _required_ for Microsub. I have a use-case where I'd like a client to be able to connect to a microsub server but it would only be able to view items - nothing else
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jacky I got the idea for this from https://www.newsblur.com/ as it does that by default
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jacky I could also just make this server not 'enforce' a check for such a value
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[schmarty] jacky: i believe Aperture has some kind of public channel support that would be unlikely to have auth on it.
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[snarfed] ...although for public data, it might be easier to just publish and read mf2 like normal
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jacky I'm looking to use it for a "logged out" view of a desktop client
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aaronpk Aperture provides an api key that Monocle uses to fetch data to make stream.indieweb.org
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aaronpk that's hosted by monocle
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> What is Meridian?
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gRegor what is meridian
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Loqi Meridian is an open source project to provide a places database and API based on OpenStreetMap https://indieweb.org/Meridian
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GWG [manton]: Not yet, but eventually....proxying nominatim and such and will hook up to micropub
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Do any sites offer data in text/plain?
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Say, blog posts?
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[snarfed] mine does for my article posts, ie posts with names, eg https://snarfed.org/about.txt for https://snarfed.org/about
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[snarfed] not really a deliberately designed feature though
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[tantek] not quite conneg 😉
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[snarfed] did you mean: not quite conneg--
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[tantek] 😂
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veracioux Hi. I have recently set up a debian VPS and I want to self-host a personal mail server there. I have a django backend with the standard user/auth system with users saved in a postgres database. Is there a mail server app that can automatically set up an email address for each user from the database by reading the email column?
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[tantek] petermolnar ^ any thoughts?
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