[manton]@GWG Not really IndieWeb-related, but do you have any experience with WP plugins and featured images? I’m helping someone with a custom theme, and `the_post_thumbnail()` doesn’t seem to work despite a featured image being set… Jatpack’s `og:image` works fine, though. Been unraveling code trying to debug and I’m a little stuck.
corlaezIs there a self contained client? So far I get there is a server and a client... and i can use say Aperture... but is there a simpler way to do it such as an RSS client that is just the client fetching a page without a service in the middle? (I don't want to rely on a server, not mine nor a third party's)
aaronpk"and subscribe to changes" implies there's something a little more complicated than just fetching a page, but are you basically asking if there is a self-contained desktop reader app?
[manton]@GWG I do have `add_theme_support( 'post-thumbnails' )` if that’s what you mean… I’ve actually decided to punt on this and work around the issue another way, so no big deal. Will revisit at some point probably.
[tantek]4corlaez, one challenge for a "self contained desktop reader" is that it can't support modern real time notifications via WebSub, that sites with feeds support.
corlaezNot sure if "dev" or not, but there is something that bugs me about the servers... the cost of storage, running it and complexity can be a barrier for many
corlaezReal time features may be lost, or perhaps could be implemented differently. Websockets come to mind. In that case real time depends on each website rather than the consumer of the info.
corlaezthe websocket message could just be a URL that is to be refetched by clients subscribed to it. A light message that can be acted upon and then discarted
aaronpkalso what do you expect to see when you open the reader app? if you want anything other than a list of sites and browsing them one by one, you need to do more complicated things with storing copies of posts
aaronpkthe browser is the reader, there's only one copy (other than the browser cache) of the web site, and bonus points for the author being able to choose how they want to present their site to you
corlaezI don't know enough about websub. But the websocket could be a shared service. Once a website is deployed and the service is notified all connected readers get a prompt to reload the site
aaronpkIMO websockets is best for the last-mile hop between a browser and the site the browser is looking at. actually even then, eventsource is easier since you don't need the bidirectionality of websockets
aaronpkwebsub isn't that complicated. basically the subscriber says to the hub "tell me when this page is updated". then the publisher tells the hub "hey I updated this page". then the hub sends a notification to all the subscribers that says "this page was updated"
corlaezOk, I see. I guess when I mean real time is only when I have the reader open I want real time. But, I see how server to server comms can be more efficient in websub
corlaezIndieAuth.com is part of the IndieWeb movement to take back control of your online identity. Instead of logging in to websites as "you on Twitter" or "you on Facebook", you should be able to log in as just "you"
corlaezso... with rel me auth I am still signing in with Twitter, GH, etc. but with indie auth there is a real me auth validation but then the sign in is actually just me
aaronpkrelmeauth is not part of indieauth, but it's one way an indieauth server could authenticate the user. another option is just whatever password auth you have on your website
corlaezok I think it starts to make sense. https://indieauth.com/setup that domain still exists... but from a github thread it seems the way to go now is indielogin.com?
gRegorIt helped me to distinguish them when I realized rel-me-auth is leveraging other services to return your URL. E.g. the Twitter authorization you give during rel-me-auth is basically to retrieve your URL from your profile and return "yes, me=example.com"
aaronpkThink of RelMeAuth (or any authentication flow) as confirming "the person in front of the computer does in fact control the URL they typed in to the login box"
aaronpki've been hoping someone else will make a service, but in the mean time it's been built in to other things like micro.blog and wordpress, they are their own indieauth servers
corlaezbut in a way this brings me back to why I would like a simpler way to use something like monocle. No indieauth server, no websub server, just plain old client parsing websites.
aaronpkthat has the very unfortunate side effect of making your subscription list public which not a lot of people would want to do, but it is an interesting idea
aaronpkby the way there's nothing wrong with the idea of building a microformats reader app for desktop that has no server-side component, you don't need to invent anything new to do that
[snarfed]there's lots of prior art for pure client side feed readers, right? as an alternative to awkwardly hacking this into monocole, maybe look at adding h-feed support to one of them?
corlaezyup and at that point no login or url with public list would be needed. I guess you can but at that point the list could just be in the rss reader
aaronpkthe problem with most of the older feed readers is that they are read-only, so as soon as you want to go give yourself a way to reply to or favorite a post the whole model breaks down
aaronpkthat was the whole idea behind the push to "social readers" which don't start with the assumption that you are only reading https://indieweb.org/social_reader
LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "rel-authn" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "rel-authn is ____", a sentence describing the term)
angelohm auth.hawx.me showed both twitter and github then hid the twitter for me as well; i have no rel=authn specified; it also failed to complete my sign-in through GitHub so i'm not sure what i'm even signing in to
corlaez[angelo] I can't recall where I read it (somewhere in the wiki I imagine) but yes the idea is that I only want to sign in with that rel=me and not the others
corlaezhttps://indieweb.rocks/corlaez.com Level 2: Improve your personal identity and post multiple types of posts You've listed other profiles on silos you posse to.
@eniehack ↩️ digital gardenを構築するなら、リンク構造をwebmentionで見せられると楽しそう（正直Quartzの手法の方が効率がよいと思うけど
>トラックバック的なビューが無い
> Scrapboxでは「このページにリンクしているページ」という表示が可能だが、Scrapbogusだと不可能。がんばって全文検索することになる。 (twitter.com/_/status/1569883432859336706)
[manton] @GWG Not really IndieWeb-related, but do you have any experience with WP plugins and featured images? I’m helping someone with a custom theme, and `the_post_thumbnail()` doesn’t seem to work despite a featured image being set… Jatpack’s `og:image` works fine, though. Been unraveling code trying to debug and I’m a little stuck.
corlaez Is there a self contained client? So far I get there is a server and a client... and i can use say Aperture... but is there a simpler way to do it such as an RSS client that is just the client fetching a page without a service in the middle? (I don't want to rely on a server, not mine nor a third party's)
[tantek]4 corlaez, one challenge for a "self contained desktop reader" is that it can't support modern real time notifications via WebSub, that sites with feeds support.
aaronpk this is better for finding related articles and other services https://indieauth.net
gRegor It's quite old at this point, but I remembered aaronpk added mf2 support to selfoss https://indieweb.org/reader#Aaron_Parecki_selfoss
angelo gRegor and corlaez i see you both use rel=authn; is that for the reason described here? https://auth.hawx.me/
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rel-authn" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "rel-authn is ____", a sentence describing the term)