#dev 2022-10-05

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[tantek]4 This article touches on some reasons that seem to resonate with why so many IndieWeb developers like to actively build their own solutions: https://florentcrivello.com/co-founding-considered-harmful/
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[tantek]4 I wonder what a similar study of "self-built" IndieWeb new solutions vs "pair-built" IndieWeb new solutions would look like in terms of survival, adoption etc.
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[tantek]4 article found via [benatwork]
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[Steve_Layton] ↩️ still can't believe I got a shoutout in the webmentions section
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[Jamie_Tanna] Anyone using / interested in doing a bit more Go? I'm thinking of one of my Hacktoberfest contributions being finally getting my micropub-go library's server-side implementation tested and ready to use
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[Jamie_Tanna] Been using it in production for about a month now, but that was hacked in without any tests (boo me) but I'm pretty happy with it and :crossed_fingers::skin-tone-4: it'd help others get an out-of-the-box implementation
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[tantek]4 Anyone POSSEing to Twitter from Eleventy? And can reply to: https://twitter.com/kino_auge/status/1577580715570511872
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@kino_auge @adactio Thanks! I was not aware of the name for this. Next: how to do `Publish on your Own Site` with a static file generator like @astrodotbuild or @eleven_ty since there is no publish hook. Maybe a github action that checks for new .md files and then sends the req to Twitter API (twitter.com/_/status/1577580715570511872)
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[Murray] ^ have responded with a bookmarked post from Max Böck (also linked on the Wiki's 11ty page already 🙌) that I know a few people have used
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@mortendk ↩️ ... i have an epic headache to figure out webmentions + adding some kind of comment system into it as well (twitter.com/_/status/1577653605578031106)
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@mortendk ↩️ well theres stuff like webmentions but it needs some more love to make it an easy thing for ppl to add to their website (twitter.com/_/status/1577656580379758593)
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[Steve_Layton] ↩️ I was just thinking about starting my own micropub server in Go. I'd be interested in at least checking it out what's the repo?
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[Jamie_Tanna] [Steve_Layton] https://gitlab.com/jamietanna/micropub-go/ is the repo, and https://gitlab.com/jamietanna/micropub-go/-/tree/feature/server is the branch for the server implementation so far
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[manton] ↩️ Of course! Thanks for writing that post.
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@Cambridgeport90 ↩️ The problem? I have too many ideas brewing, so which one to start with first? I want to start with the #webmention sender/receiver project I have on GitHub, but which is the better language? (twitter.com/_/status/1577701461772730379)
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@simonw ↩️ I played with IndieAuth a bit a while back and it felt like a nice evolution of the original URL-based OpenID, but I don't think it's seen very much adoption https://simonwillison.net/2020/Nov/18/indieauth/ (twitter.com/_/status/1577715836659253248)
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[tantek]4 ^ capjamesg does your indie search crawl include number of sites that have IndieAuth setup?
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[tantek]4 hopefully newer than the IndieMap results
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[tantek]4 also, as we've observed, re: top of thread, it's primarily a UX problem, nothing to do with RSS /plumbing: https://twitter.com/webology/status/1577502295138484225
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@webology @simonw I wish blogging wasn't such a total pain. Twitter gets the editor right because you can publish by typing text and hitting publish from the same page where other content is and people immediately see it. Django and other CMS are good, but nothing else is that good. (twitter.com/_/status/1577502295138484225)
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@Cambridgeport90 ↩️ It would be the ability to send/receive/ monitor for incoming webmentions on a site of group thereof; basically it's the more interactive version of pingback. Written in a language that's not yet represented in the multitude of existing projects like this. (twitter.com/_/status/1577733985295249408)
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capjamesg [tantek] When is the next s12 W3C meeting?
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[tantek]4 capjamesg, we haven't organized another s12y meeting yet and I'm not sure what cadence we should do them
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[tantek]4 Also the in-person meeting was so cooperative to be & collaborative, I'm trying to figure out a way to maintain that
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capjamesg [tantek] I'd be interested in attending an in-person meeting, depending on the location.
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gRegor indieweb.rocks is tracking endpoints so might have some IndieAuth numbers
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capjamesg 14 URLs in the HTTP Archive dataset include the string "indieauth-metadata".
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capjamesg [tantek] ^
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angelo where'd you run that search capjamesg?
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capjamesg My query is restricted to the 2022-08-01 crawl.
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capjamesg I haven't explored if each crawl looks at *all* urls in their dataset, or there is a refresh period.
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capjamesg angelo https://github.com/HTTPArchive/httparchive.org/blob/main/docs/gettingstarted_bigquery.md
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capjamesg 1098 URLs contained authorization_endpoint.
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angelo https://indieweb.rocks/indieauth when i give the new crawler a full crawl this page will be fleshed out
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Loqi IndieWeb.rocks
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capjamesg angelo https://gist.github.com/capjamesg/41fddcdc1a7334609bbcad651ab62990
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capjamesg That's my query ^
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capjamesg Yes, I can match it to rel=.
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capjamesg I'll do that soon.
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capjamesg Just updated the Gist. I pasted the wrong text.
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angelo if you can constrain by rel= and limit by domain that's perfect
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angelo can you paste the output of the query?
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angelo capjamesg ^
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capjamesg I'll let you know when I do this. I need to explore the dataset a bit more.
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[James_Van_Dyne] [jamesg483] Got a PR ready splitting up the docs for indieweb-utils 🙏 https://github.com/capjamesg/indieweb-utils/pull/68/
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[tantek]4 capjamesg, re: cassis-lab functions, if you think a function there is worth porting then that's probably enough justification to have it graduate from the -lab into cassis core
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[tantek]4 what is auto_url_summary
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "auto_url_summary" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "auto_url_summary is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]4 hmmm thought we did
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[tantek]4 auto_url_summary is /auto-url-summary
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Loqi ok
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[tantek]4 capjamesg, have you seen / had a chance to read through https://indieweb.org/auto-url-summary ?
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capjamesg [James_Van_Dyne]++
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Loqi [James_Van_Dyne] has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (6 in all channels)
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capjamesg I shall review your PR soon!
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capjamesg [James_Van_Dyne] I just merged the PR. I moved the custom properties section under the get_post_type function where it makes the most contextual sense.
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capjamesg Thank you!
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capjamesg [tantek] Reading that page is what gave me the idea :D
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capjamesg This fits well into the "reply context" features we want to build out.
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capjamesg [James_Van_Dyne] PRs 64 + 65 are quick documentation fixes I made.
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[tantek]4 glad to hear it capjamesg. I've updated cassis-lab with a few local improvements that I hadn't pushed yet.
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[tantek]4 update auto_url_summary that is
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capjamesg This library looks super handy: https://advertools.readthedocs.io/en/master/index.html
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capjamesg I like the hashtag and @ extraction features.
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capjamesg And the sitemap URL extraction features too.
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angelo https://advertools.readthedocs.io/en/master/advertools.code_recipes.spider_strategies.html#how-can-i-dis-obey-robots-txt-rules
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[tantek]4 capjamesg, which parts? looks like a bunch potentially abusive stuff in there too
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[tantek]4 I've got hashtag and @ extraction code in CASSIS (that currently auto-links or auto-tags them, but it could be modified)