#dev 2022-10-29
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[tantek] I need to write some code to do this though: "include a link to https://fed.brid.gy/ in that post. Your web server should then send Bridgy Fed a webmention"
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# [tantek] ok that PR is done: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/pull/259
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KatherineMoss[m] I use a screen reder,though I'm not up on my Aria stuff... what would that do, exactly, and what would it look like?
# [tantek] KatherineMoss[m] for Bridgy Publish and Bridgy Fed functionality to work, they require putting empty (lacking content) hyperlinks into your post in order for their use of Webmention to work. Those empty hyperlinks serve no purpose for any user, whether in a visual browser (which shows nothing since the hyperlinks lack content) or in a screen reader
# KatherineMoss[m] Isn't that odd... seems like a bad design call to me.
# KatherineMoss[m] Definitely should be a pull request somewhere... Because that would really make a better experience for folks, I think.
# [tantek] note that at least in my case such empty links are ephemeral anyway, I set a max 24h timeout on them and then they stop showing up. they're only there to act as "triggers" for Bridgy POSSEing / AP sending for new posts (which should happen within 24h of me publishing to my own site anyway)
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@tomfinley Trying out a webmention:
https://tomfinley.co/were-trying-some-stuff-with-mastodon/ (twitter.com/_/status/1586221297826033665)
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[KevinMarks] It should remap @name@site.tld to site.tld/@name
# [KevinMarks] Thats the pattern for all of Mastodon. There's probably a template somewhere in the webfinger chaos for it
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@dmothersele ↩️ Webmention can bring the conversation to blogging and RSS https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1586255897268957184)
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# [tantek] and looks like Bridgy delivered my newest post to three Mastodon servers: https://fed.brid.gy/responses
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# sknebel PSA for everyone selfhosting: https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2022-October/000238.html
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@patrickbrosset Time to look into supporting webmentions on my site.
Any advice on how to get started simply? (twitter.com/_/status/1586309929597513729)
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# @tomfinley ↩️ As far as I can tell, the most essential components are the ActivityPub Plugin (or @deviorobert’s Send to Mastodon plugin), the Webmentions plugin, and using http://brid.gy to connect to your social accounts, which instantiate social links to your site as blog comments. (twitter.com/_/status/1586371407805571073)
# @tomfinley ↩️ As far as I can tell, the most essential components are the ActivityPub Plugin (or @deviorobert’s Send to Mastodon plugin), the Webmentions plugin, and using http://brid.gy to connect to your social accounts, which instantiate social links to your site as blog comments. (twitter.com/_/status/1586371407805571073)
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@mortendk Though i really want webmention to become a thing (somebody make it supersuper easy to set up please) it can never hurt to have yet another platform
So heres my mastodon - not the band though even they are rad
https://mastodon.social/@mortendk (twitter.com/_/status/1586435738907787264)
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# [tantek] in case anyone was wondering if Bridgy Fed works 😄 https://fed.brid.gy/responses
# KatherineMoss[m] Mastodon, despite being the most popular piece of software on the
# KatherineMoss[m] Fediverse... it has it's problems, namely with implementing stuff differently than the rest of the AP world does.
# KatherineMoss[m] So you have to break with the AP spec on purpose when developing just to maintain compatibility with Mastodon.
# KatherineMoss[m] epoch: I would say that it sounds like them under the reign of Bill Gates, but not now; Microsoft are actually preetty open source; the entirity of DOTNET sure is... it's the fully open source people that seem to be having more disagreements these days for some reason.
# KatherineMoss[m] You wonder if it's a matter of the spec skipping things... whether someone could fill ing the gaps?
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[Murray] [tantek] this may not be applicable for your use-case, but `display: none` might be a more appropriate way of removing those links? You could have a CSS rule along the lines of `a[href="https://fed.brid.gy/"]
{ display: none; }` which would then autohide any link on the page with that `href`# 
@VincentTunru ↩️ Sending or receiving? Sending could be as simple as
await webmention("<source URL>", "mentioned URL")
using e.g. my library: https://www.npmjs.com/package/webmen (twitter.com/_/status/1586468591767064576)
# sp1ff I have a philosophical question around post type discovery. The W3C spec eschews an explicit "post type" attribute, instead deriving it from post attributes. But I _want_ my posts to be interpreted as certain types by, say, brid.gy or webmention recipients. So now I'm reverse engineering the Post Type Discovery algorithm so that I can tag my posts with a "post type", produce compliant mf2, and have others then discover my intended post
# sp1ff lol. For one, brid.gy suggests that it handles POSSE-ing different post types differently. "Bridgy Publish largely follows the Post Type Discovery standard to map a microformats2 post on your web site to a single thing." Webmention recipients may handle them differently; "Webmentions are filtered by typ, e.g. "repost-of", "like-of", etc. and shown at the bottom of articles and notes"
# [snarfed] unrelated, [Murray] KatherineMoss et al, the empty https://brid.gy/ and https://fed.brid.gy/ links are a security mechanism
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