#dev 2023-05-26

2023-05-26 UTC
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gRegor what is trusted contact?
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Loqi trusted contact is a feature of services like Facebook to nominate friends to help if you get locked out of your account https://indieweb.org/trusted_contact
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gRegor TIL
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[0x3b0b] I might have just figured out how the undocumented custom page support in microblogpub works.
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[0x3b0b] Or I might be about to break my site for a bit.
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[0x3b0b] I spent way too long not figuring out that I needed to include a slash at the beginning of the configured path.
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[snarfed] anyone familiar with other protocols - ActivityPub, Bluesky/AT, Nostr - mind reviewing this set of translations I've put together? trying to wrap my mind around all of this without getting overwhelmed. https://fed.brid.gy/docs#translate , cc [aaronpk] [manton] [sknebel] et al
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[snarfed] feel free to comment on the PR, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/pull/521
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] #521 document proposed translations between protocols in docs
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [KevinMarks] the app is still crashing.
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[KevinMarks] Do you get a message now?
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[KevinMarks] Are there other logs?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I’ll check soon.
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[manton] Follow-up on yesterday’s private keys discussion, I’ve decided to add a disclaimer when enabling Nostr in http://Micro.blog. 🙂 “Nostr private keys give full access to your Nostr account. Be very careful when sharing them. http://Micro.blog encrypts your key before storing it, but clever hackers may find a way around this if all of our servers are compromised.”
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[manton] Low risk but I feel better warning people.
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[schmarty] manton++ expectationsetting++
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[manton] [snarfed] Looking at your new docs. I like the grid. I’m wondering if NIP-5 should basically be required and whether that helps anything.
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[manton] I’m not quite ready to go all-in on Nostr except for one-way blog → Nostr POSSE. But if I ever create Nostr identities directly in M.b, I will probably automatically set up NIP-5 to match the ActivityPub handle.
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[manton] With maybe an override to allow `@domain` instead of `@user@domain`. But as a default I like the NIP-5 and AP handle matching.
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[manton] (Also, how are normal people ever going to understand this?! NIP-5! NIP-39! Oh my!)
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[snarfed] manton++ for trailblazing here
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> How big is Nostr?
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[snarfed] thanks for reviewing! fortunately I don't expect non-developer users to read or understand any of this. DNS handles (ie NIP-05) are obviously a power tech user feature, but the goal is definitely that non-technical people will reasonably be able to use Bridgy Fed to follow and interact with Nostr users
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[snarfed] capjamesg particularly hard to distinguish human count from bot count on Nostr, but best guess right now seems to be hundreds of thousands of humans. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/446#issuecomment-1484180951
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[snarfed] [manton] re setting up NIP-05 for m.b users, interesting, I assume you plan to use your DNS provider's API, and not serve DNS yourself? any idea how they'll scale?
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[manton] [snarfed] Not totally sure yet, but I’m thinking if someone is already using their domain name with http://Micro.blog, I can just serve a .well-known/nostr.json file.
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[manton] I set this up for my own account manually and it seems to work. Unless I’m missing something. https://www.manton.org/.well-known/nostr.json
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[tantek] "heavily crypto/bitcoin people" - appreciate the warning
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[jacky] ^ I think that's my biggest hesitation and avoidance of that stack
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[snarfed] interestingly growth and new posts seem to be way down over the last month and change, https://stats.nostr.band/#daily_new_users , https://stats.nostr.band/#daily_events
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[snarfed] either that or some big relay change happened and that stats tracker missed it. but it's "the most reliable source" according to that GH issue ^
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[snarfed] ah, the earlier high new user growth was evidently accounts with no profile or other info, so they likely weren't human, so the drop in posts may have just been a big wave of spam ending
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[snarfed] still, 7k "trusted" (ie likely human) DAUs isn't as high as I thought, and that's down from 8k a month ago
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[manton] Active users is also lower than I would’ve guessed. Speculation: the folks who are very into crypto and “censorship-resistant” tech are all-in on Nostr, but other early adopters are mostly just curious, so they create an account and then ignore it for now, keeping active users low.
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[snarfed] ^ it me
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bkil Or 90% of accounts were created by a script to inflate numbers.
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[jacky] hmm getting this from bridgy https://brid.gy/comment/mastodon/@jalcine@todon.eu/110426424194252173/110429705361243958
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[jacky] oop nvm
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[jacky] E_USER
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[tantek] Did someone ask earlier about link prefixing services like http://12ft.io or http://bsky.link or even http://validator.w3.org? Is there a generally accepted term for such things?
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[tantek] Also, capjamesg, it would be great if http://mf2.link worked like http://12ft.io - that is, you can put any news article url after the 12ft domain (no need to remember or use a query param, regardless of source url)
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[jacky] does bridgy officially support at?
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[snarfed] no. it could support the bluesky API, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/1453 , granary is already implemented so much of the work is done
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[snarfed] AT will go into Bridgy Fed, not normal Bridgy, but they haven't launched federation yet so it's not possible yet
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[jacky] ahhh of course
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[jacky] well that makes bridgy an excellent hub for federation (a cheap way for folks to bring their existing platforms)
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[jacky] tbh they should contribute that 😉
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[snarfed] they're open to bridges but not interested in building them, since bridges are always lossy to some degree
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[jacky] that's valid
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[snarfed] poor bsky.link, it's down more than up every time I go to use it :hugops:
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[snarfed] on a related note: finally! https://blue.amazingca.dev/?username=atproto.com&postid=3jwntqmm6sk2d
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Yeah I’m sorry about that.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I’ll try recover it this weekend.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Node feels more brittle than it should be.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> One error takes down the whole app.
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[snarfed] we collected suggestions here for how to avoid that, right?
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[snarfed] not sure. discussed it at least
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> In other news it’s probably time for me to stop working on side projects for a while, aside from maintaining the ones I have.
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[snarfed] I imagine that alone is a full time job
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[snarfed] ...alternatively, if you just want a different _kind_ of side project, there's always https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/1453 😎
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] #1453 Add Bluesky support
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I’ll try!
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I have no plans this weekend.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Can you remind me what steps I need to take?
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[snarfed] yup! https://bridgy.readthedocs.io/#adding-a-new-silo
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[snarfed] adding to https://oauth-dropins.appspot.com/ is the first step. it'll be a bit non-standard since it's app passwords, not oauth. I have an in progress branch, let me push that
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[snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins/compare/main...bluesky
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[tantek] capjamesg, perhaps add bsky.link (and mf2.link presumably?) to https://indieweb.org/Node.js#Projects and maybe add an Issues (or Criticism) section noting how "Node feels more brittle than it should be"
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