[tantek]Whereas “feed” feels older, updated once in a while (not real-time), something you have to go check (go get something from the feed when you’re hungry?), not push-based
[Murray]I can understand how you'd arrive at that conclusion, particularly based on the semantics of the words outside of this context, but given that most people refer to "feeds" for social media homepages, and I'd expect those to be real time and automated, I'm not sure that distinction really exists
gRegorFrom the publishing side, I don't see a lot of distinction between them. Feed does feel older since I think of "RSS feed", but I think FB popularized "news feed"
LoqiA stream refers to a collection of posts, typically time-ordered, similar to a feed, and often updated in real-time, with updates propagated via a notification-based protocol like WebSub, and published as HTML (h-feed/h-entry) https://indieweb.org/stream
LoqiA feed is a dynamic set of posts, typically listed in reverse-chronological order, often only the most recent (like 10), published on the IndieWeb as separate feed files and on homepages with h-feed markup https://indieweb.org/feed
[manton]Personally when I say “feed” I always mean something like a file containing posts, like RSS or JSON Feed. “Stream” or “timeline” is more the UI.
[tantek][Murray], gRegor, that's a good point about Facebook, and as the Wikipedia article on the subject points out, FB "news feed" was eventually shortened to "Facebook feed" in practice and officially in 2022. This is a good insight that from "common" user-perspective, "feed" now means "where I go to read" and has nothing to do with publishing.
[tantek]or more to the point, the consumption based underlying meaning of "feed" has surfaced into its use of an online metaphor, a place to go to consume online stuff.
gRegorYeah I looked today and noticed the FB left sidebar has a "Feeds" option. Defaults to "Feeds (Most Recent)" for me. Clicking that shows a couple other feed options: All, Favorites, Friends, Groups, and Pages.
[tantek]gRegor, the distinctions are at a higher-level than just "WebSub", which is only an example (per "like") of updates propogation/notification (hence my point about "push"), and "real-time" sets stronger expectations than "dynamic" which I believe is also an explicit contrast
gRegorIt's hard for me to wrap my head around. I have a page that I call "stream" and I also generate an Atom feed sidefile still. Since I use a CMS off a db, they're both generated dynamically.
[tantek]a "dynamic" page is one that may (should be expected to) change (non-trivially) over time when you reload it, whereas a static page (e.g. an archive for a particular datetime period, even post permalinks) tend to be more "static"
gRegorLike https://gregorlove.com/2023/01/ is "static" in the way you describe, presuming I didn't backfill any posts later. But at the plumbing level it's still dynamic, technically speaking, since it queries the db
[tantek]similarly my fairly "static" post permalinks are "dynamically" generated from PHP though from a "static" storage file (this is precisely why I asked this question in #indieweb-dev because I knew we would get into user vs dev perspectives)
[tantek]gRegor, correct, because long ago we (Organizers summit maybe 2017?) decided our top level pages on the wiki would/should prioritize the user perspective in definitions, summaries, explanations, and have subpages or just other pages for developer-centric definitions, explanations, details
[Murray] I can understand how you'd arrive at that conclusion, particularly based on the semantics of the words outside of this context, but given that most people refer to "feeds" for social media homepages, and I'd expect those to be real time and automated, I'm not sure that distinction really exists
Loqi A stream refers to a collection of posts, typically time-ordered, similar to a feed, and often updated in real-time, with updates propagated via a notification-based protocol like WebSub, and published as HTML (h-feed/h-entry) https://indieweb.org/stream
[tantek] [Murray], gRegor, that's a good point about Facebook, and as the Wikipedia article on the subject points out, FB "news feed" was eventually shortened to "Facebook feed" in practice and officially in 2022. This is a good insight that from "common" user-perspective, "feed" now means "where I go to read" and has nothing to do with publishing.
gRegor Like https://gregorlove.com/2023/01/ is "static" in the way you describe, presuming I didn't backfill any posts later. But at the plumbing level it's still dynamic, technically speaking, since it queries the db