#dev 2023-07-25
2023-07-25 UTC
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Zegnat Amazon also launched something called AWS App Runner which is a little more like Heroku et al. It can either deploy straight from a code repo or you can supply it a container to deploy. I have found that one a lot easier to setup (if you are already stuck in the AWS infrastructure) than mucking about the permmissions stuff for exposing lambda to the public net.
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capjamesg ++
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[jamietanna] Capjamesg worth also trying http://fly.io for very little ops hosting. I've enjoyed it for several apps I'm doing
# [jamietanna] Also building for AWS Lambda and the like is generally different than just hosting a Flask app that's always running - you can do it, but there are things to be cautious of, and to get the best of it you'd maybe need to rearchitect it
# [jamietanna] Barryf got me into https://arc.codes which is a really nice local + remote experience for building more AWS Lambda native apps
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# [jamietanna] Looks like they have a Python runtime, but not sure what it's like compared to Node which is their preferred stack
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[manton] Posted that blog post I alluded to… Let the hate mail begin! https://www.manton.org/2023/07/25/next-step-for.html
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[schmarty] When Better Still isn't Good: The ActivityPub Story
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# [schmarty] i don't mean to sound so harsh about activitypub. "When Better Still isn't Good" could be like a sub-imprint of No Starch Press covering lots of tech. :}
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[KevinMarks] I agree with [pfefferle] that the test suite can drive the convergence - by measuring and documenting what you expect you can help adjust it.
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[pfefferle] oh, missed most of the discussion
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# [pfefferle] it's becoming more real, [j12t] is pushing it a lot atm.
# [pfefferle] and as far as I understood it, [dansup] already had something working for the initial fediDB plarform
# [pfefferle] I still love the idea and simplicity of the initial idea of having standardized activities floating between inboxes and outboxes
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# [pfefferle] for me it is still easier to work with AP (even with reverse engineering some platforms) then reading through the AP-Spec!
# [KevinMarks] Also, the AS2 spec doesn't require JSON-LD parsing, we explicitly worked to make that clear, so part fo the test suite should be rejecting JSON-LD stuff that isn't in the canonical form
# [pfefferle] I am not entirely sure what Dave Winer is referring to... it still sounds like a reader/crossposter thing instead of federation...
# [KevinMarks] I haven't listened, but it's likely his version of the social reader idea, which will likley have outlining built in because his always do.
# [pfefferle] http://textcasting.org is one essential part
# [pfefferle] Sure, but we could make a difference! For http://Micro.blog and WordPress, there is a MicroPub endpoint(!) time to have some nice clients to „convince“ others that it is a good idea!
# [KevinMarks] is it time to revive silopub?
# [KevinMarks] that does tumblr and blogger
# [KevinMarks] and now we can't post to twitter that's one less to worry about
# [pfefferle] The issue there is that the audience and the app ecosystem is not yet big enough there I think
# [pfefferle] You mean X? :face_with_peeking_eye:
# [snarfed] [KevinMarks] just fyi Bridgy now does Micropub: https://brid.gy/about#micropub
# [KevinMarks] I thought the limits meant a relay app wouldn't work. Is the new limit per user, not per app?
# [KevinMarks] this discussion is very familiar: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003/09/how-to-atomize-or-de-atomize.html
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# [pfefferle] [sknebel] I don‘t think it is about standard or proprietary… it’s about reach and success of the platform
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# [pfefferle] If mastodon wasn‘t so successful no one would have cared about their API
# [KevinMarks] their API is vaguely twitter-alike isn't it?
# [pfefferle] And I think bluesky is also wrong about that someone cares about the spec… it’s not the better spec wins…
# [pfefferle] And to do so we should make MicroPub attractive to App implementers through reach and simplicity.
# [manton] Yep, it’s only a pain point for someone like me because my customers want to use Ivory with http://Micro.blog. So then I need to implement the Mastodon API, which I’ve been dragging my feet on for reasons.
# [KevinMarks] which is where interop testing is helpful, as there are a lot of mastodon clients and they're likely bug-compatible rather than tested
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[tantek] [manton] re: "would love to see Mastodon clients support both the Mastodon API _and_ Micropub (or even AP C2S). Not sure how to get there." <-- since your most recent blog post ends with "The most popular Mastodon client apps do not support either ActivityPub or Micropub." that's an excellent setup for a "Next step for ActivityPub Part 2" where you could make a pitch for why Mastodon client apps should add support for Micropub, using its test
# capjamesg What is a map!
# capjamesg *?
# [tantek] in short: there are hundreds (thousands?) of servers (WordPress, http://micro.blog, etc.) that support the Micropub server API, and every Mastodon client would immediately have access to "crosspost" to any of those in addition to a user's Mastodon instance
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voxpelli Funnily came to discuss this on Mastodon and jumped in here to see you discussing the same: https://mastodon.social/@voxpelli/110776308517900528
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# [KevinMarks] I like phanpy.social
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