#dev 2023-07-30

2023-07-30 UTC
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rubenwardy How much of a problem is it to only support atom feeds and not RSS feeds? A lot of people talk about RSS but I'm unsure as to whether they specifically mean RSS or include Atom and JSONFeed
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rubenwardy what is RSS
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Loqi RSS is an acronym for a set of XML feed file format variants used for syndicating time-stamped content from web sites like blogs and podcasts, and sometimes a shorthand for feed file formats as a whole including Atom, or even more broadly for the concept of feeds or syndication in general https://indieweb.org/RSS
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Zegnat rubenwardy: lots of people will use RSS just to refer to feeds that are subscribable by their readers. I think basically every reader that supports RSS will also support Atom. So from that point of view, you do not need to support both
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Zegnat I think most websites will pick one of the two, and not offer both
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[capjamesg] [KevinMarks] I made the link thing we discussed:
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[capjamesg] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2023/07/dev-20230730-123439-screenshot_2023-07-30_at_13.34.24.png
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[capjamesg] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2023/07/dev-20230730-124731-screenshot_2023-07-30_at_13.46.56.png
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[KevinMarks] Ooh, that's neat
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[KevinMarks] Rubenwardy: It is a bit confused - by default RSS has some ambiguities about what works, and some RSS feeds include Atom via xmlns to gain Atom features. Also, lots of feeds are not very well made. Any well established feed consumer will handle both, Atom is more predictably defined for pagination and the difference between summary and content.
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rubenwardy I've noticed that a lot of feeds don't contain any thumbnail images... quite annoying when making a feed reader
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c​apjamesg [KevinMarks] it is on GitHub.
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c​apjamesg https://github.com/capjamesg/linkaside.js
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[KevinMarks] The original spec only had an image for the feed as a whole, not per post images
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Loqi [preview] [capjamesg] linkaside.js: Display cards for all of the outgoing links on a web page.
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capjamesg [KevinMarks] I am now running https://jamesg.blog/lp/outgoing_links?urls=https://jamesg.blog which uses the indieweb_utils.get_reply_context() function behind the scenes
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c​apjamesg What are the best practices for monitoring three servers running various web services?
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[snarfed] reminds me of RFC5005, eg https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/152
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Loqi [preview] [jameysharp] #152 Atom/RSS feed paging
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capjamesg My site has a search engine but I don't have a clue where the code is or where it is running :D
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capjamesg Found it!
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[jeremycherfas] Good to know.
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sknebel obligatory https://web.archive.org/web/20230413143246/http://bash.org/?5273
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capjamesg :D
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capjamesg This is the first time that has happened.
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capjamesg I did an lsof, then manaully searched through my `screen` sessions and eventually found _one_ file.
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capjamesg The other three files were on my local machine.
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capjamesg wtf https://json5.org/
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sknebel why wtf?
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capjamesg As if I didn't have enough problems with JSON serialization :D
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capjamesg positiveSign: +1, is an example haha.
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sknebel making JSON more usable for humans isnt exactly a rare idea :D
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capjamesg :D
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Zegnat Is YAML not supposed to be JSON usable for humans? :P
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sknebel "supposed to be" maybe
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Zegnat Well, JSON5 is not so bad, compared to some of the stuff I collected in the See Also section ... https://indieweb.org/JSON#See_Also
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capjamesg https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datapower-gateway/2018.4?topic=SS9H2Y_7.7.0/com.ibm.dp.doc/json_jsonx.htm is now a broken link.
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Zegnat Mmm. Looks like it is now https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/datapower-gateway/2018.4?topic=20-jsonx
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Zegnat “Last Updated: 2023-03-28” which I hope is just because they refreshed the design of the docs and not because someone is still actively working with JSONx
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Loqi capjamesg has 41 karma in this channel over the last year (117 in all channels)
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Zegnat capjamesg++ thanks, link fixed
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Zegnat I should add archive links to all of those links I have collected at some point. It should also be turned into its own section, probably. But who has time for that? :P I will just continue to add links every time I run into a new JSON dialect
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Loqi +1
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