#dev 2023-08-14

2023-08-14 UTC
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[Jo] Do you need any microformats for a webmention or is a link alone enough?
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GWG [Jo]: Microformats in a Webmention are like the difference between a yellow sheet cake and a yellow sheet cake decorated with frosting, candles, and a birthday message. Maybe those sugary flowers.
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[Jo] Does http://webmention.io do its own thing or something? Idk i tried to send a webmention with just the link and it didnt work so i ended up putting u-in-reply-to
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[Jo] I'd have liked just a "mention"
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GWG Webmention.io would accept just a link and a plain mention
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[Jo] Weird
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[tantek] what GWG said. a plain link should work as just a "mention"
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GWG [tantek]: No comment on the cake comparison?
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[tantek] GWG, I'd say the comparison/metaphor is a bit thin
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GWG [tantek]: Like sheet cake.
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[tantek] a plain webmention is more like a cookie sheet, with nothing of substance on it
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[tantek] only with microformats do you actually have any content ("cake") to use for determining a kind of response, information about the response etc.
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[tantek] GWG, a plain mention is not even sheet cake. there is no cake in a plain mention
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GWG Then what is the frosting?
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[tantek] that's the wrong way to reason about metaphors, start with the actual thing, not the methaphorical expression thereof
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[tantek] the baking metaphor (e.g. a webmention is like being notified there's a baking sheet for you) could be a useful source of diagrams
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[tantek] e.g. indicate webmention flow (baking sheet) and interactions with microformats (layers of cakes on the baking sheet) as part of a webmention
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