#dev 2023-10-25

2023-10-25 UTC
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[tantek] wow: https://airtable.com/appsg8xUrw8rodOHa/shri7e7EHoTi0cEjO/tblGfBcmj5sJzk2WK/viwPJRXjBeELkIaZZ?blocks=hide
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aaronpk mastodon is not in the list 😂
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aaronpk but pixelfed is
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aaronpk the "products" seem to be a mix of products and protocols
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s​isoma Mastodon is listed as a company (with their product being "activityPub") lol
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s​isoma Also, how is Discord a "Decentralized Social Project"?
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aaronpk i am very confused by this database
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s​isoma Same lol. Where did you get this database from? 😛
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epoch maybe they think discord servers are actually servers?
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aaronpk ono
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[aciccarello] iris.social domain looks parked now too
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[aciccarello] so much blockchain. Is ghostchain a thing? Vaporchain?
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epoch I'm guessing iris.social and iris.to are unrelated
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[aciccarello] Oof. Content warning: bitcoin shilling mixed with antisemitism.
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aaronpk yeah wtf is iris.to
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[tantek] I got that database / airtable from https://twitter.com/rabble/status/1590091568031338496
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[tantek] which was in reply to the founder's announcement he was launching T2 https://twitter.com/gabor/status/1589837734927290369
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[tantek] previously: https://tantek.com/2019/056/t2/twitter-is-the-matrix
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] Twitter is like the Matrix. Every few months/years someone trapped in Twitter reboots an idea to decentralize social media as The One (idea), gets attention & excited responses, not realizing they're just the latest cycle, soon to be forgotten by the...
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aaronpk i remember that post
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epoch iris.to is a nostr frontend
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GWG Tried to write this up again. https://david.shanske.com/2023/10/25/new-thoughts-on-ticketing-for-indieauth/ - including my thoughts on omz13's proposed expansion to 2 additional flows.
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Loqi [preview] [David Shanske] On many occasions in the past, I’ve participated in private post discussions as part of various Indiewebcamp events.Private resources…posts, feeds, or any sort of private content, is one of the holy grails of the Indieweb community. Everyone seem...
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srijan indielogin.com is down?
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Zegnat Yep, looks like it. Ping aaronpk
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epoch getting 502 here
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omz13 GWG you will be unsurprised to learn that I fundamentally disagree with pretty much everything that you've written; when I get some time I'll send a more formal response
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[KevinMarks] https://heather-buchel.com/blog/2023/10/why-your-web-design-sucks/
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[tantek] ^ does it start with link preview images that are the same info as the link preview text but in image form?
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[KevinMarks] that may be a reaction to the new twitter link preview pathology?
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sknebel what is the new twitter link preview pathology?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "new twitter link preview pathology" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "new twitter link preview pathology is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG omz13: I look forward to reading it
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[KevinMarks] twitter now only shows the image as a preview, with the website domain overlaid on it, not any of the preview text
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[tantek] That's a good post [KevinMarks]++
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Loqi [KevinMarks] has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (42 in all channels)
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[tantek] Maybe add it to /design?
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[KevinMarks] design << https://heather-buchel.com/blog/2023/10/why-your-web-design-sucks/ post on how organisational structure has alienated designers from the web
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Loqi ok, I added "https://heather-buchel.com/blog/2023/10/why-your-web-design-sucks/ post on how organisational structure has alienated designers from the web" to the "See Also" section of /design https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89967&oldid=88751
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[tantek] I really want to write (or see someone write) a side by side comparison table & contrast between http://micro.blog (successful & sustainably growing) vs T2, since both essentially set out to provide a replacement for Twitter for users
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[tantek] In #indieweb-dev because I do think the details of how it was built, standards vs proprietary, open vs closed, kickstarter vs angel funded, one engineer vs hiring a big team, etc would be useful to illustrate how many bad choices T2 made in comparison, despite starting long after http://micro.blog
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[manton] [tantek] I’d like to see more analysis of that too. I wrote a blog post yesterday about it but it didn’t cover all your points. I’m still a little surprised that Pebble/T2 didn’t last a little longer. One year isn’t much time to figure things out, correct mistakes, pivot, whatever. https://www.manton.org/2023/10/24/pebble-is-shutting.html
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Loqi [preview] [Manton Reece] Pebble is shutting down
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Zegnat One year is enough to run out of first round investment money, is my guess?
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[KevinMarks] https://mastodon.social/@librenews/111295916501406787
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Loqi [preview] [Matt Terenzio] When I think of the amount of time and effort I've spent on personal and professional products to integrate with Twitter and Facebook I'm almost ***embarrassed***. In a short time that (or really a long time) that has gone from being essential busine...
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[manton] [Zegnat] I guess so. They are shutting it down with only a week’s notice, so presumably they were trying until the last minute to get another funding round. And maybe they seemed easy a year ago and less easy now.
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[KevinMarks] talking of twitter link preview pathology https://hdlne.me/
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[KevinMarks] the embed looks like
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[KevinMarks] `<audio src="https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/chtbl.com/track/524GE/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP7029501931.mp3?updated=1697826191#t=296,335" controls ></audio>`
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[KevinMarks] 296,335 being the seconds offset of your bit
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[KevinMarks] https://www.kevinmarks.com/hotlinkmp3.html
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[tantek] whoa
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[tantek] T2 << 2023-10-24 {{manton}}: [https://www.manton.org/2023/10/24/pebble-is-shutting.html Pebble is shutting down]
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Loqi ok, I added "2023-10-24 {{manton}}: [https://www.manton.org/2023/10/24/pebble-is-shutting.html Pebble is shutting down]" to the "See Also" section of /T2 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89973&oldid=89966
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rubenwardy what is t2
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Loqi T2 was a social media silo that was an attempt to “build another Twitter” that was announced, launched, raised 1.1m from angels, then partially rebranded as “Pebble”, no relation to the watch, a month before it shut down, all in less than a year https://indieweb.org/T2
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aaronpk i can't believe i completely missed the whole thing
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aaronpk i hadn't even heard of it until this week
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[tantek] I should take screenshots of the sign-up email they sent me because it's so bad
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Loqi I agree
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[catgirlinspace] i hadn’t heard of it until this morning.
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GWG [schmarty]: Did my new post help you in any way?
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[schmarty] GWG: haven't had time to absorb. looking forward to reading it!
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GWG [schmarty]: Looking forward to omz13's critique too
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GWG He and I are directly on opposite sides of this
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Thelie Hi ludovicchabant, seems like it was too much of a -dev question ;)
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Thelie That thing about adding your h-entries in memory (if I understood it correctly) sounds pretty wild
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ludovicchabant Thelie: it's pretty simple actually -- well, for the -dev channel :) In the config file you specify CSS selectors, and what class to add to any element that matches. SiloRider just runs through those rules on the downloaded feed, and passes the result to the microformats parser
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Thelie Ooh very neat
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Thelie Is there any way to have some String prepended to the post before it goes out? Something like "Hey I posted something on my website, have a look: [Title] [link]"
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gRegor Oh cool. We have a minimal wiki page if you'd like to add yourselves as examples and add any other info: https://indieweb.org/SiloRider
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gRegor And of course to credit it as your software, ludovicchabant
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ludovicchabant Thelie: did you mean with SiloRider? There isn't right now, but I have implemented something better (IMHO). For each article in the feed, SiloRider optionally downloads the actual linked article (if any) and looks for opengraph or twitter meta tags in the html head. If found, it uses that.
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ludovicchabant So that lets me write a little blurb and specify a featured image for the article, and that text and image will go with the link in the social media posts instead of a bland title+link
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ludovicchabant gRegor: will do! Thanks
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Thelie Huh I'll have to look into that, but I think I'm done fith etiditng tags for today ^^
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Thelie At least I (think I) got h-feeds implemented now :)
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ludovicchabant More information on these tags here https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-for-websites/cards/overview/abouts-cards and here https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-for-websites/cards/overview/markup
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gRegor Is that still working nicely with Twitter's API changes and limits?
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[snarfed] twitter card meta tags are separate from the API
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[snarfed] but if you s/API changes and limits/burning itself down/, then agreed, still a valid q
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gRegor Sorry, I meant SiloRider POSSE to Twitter