#dev 2023-12-30

2023-12-30 UTC
# 01:45 
[KevinMarks] The previous model was feed polling, with Websub to trigger a re-poll (or before websub, ping servers). Because you implicitly had to look for changes with feed polling, This worked with lossy pings - they were in effect cache update signals.
# 01:45 
[KevinMarks] The fat pings extension meant that you could avoid the check with the source part. AP has the same model in principle, but the feed poking and diffing part is treated as secondary rather than primary.
# 01:45 
[KevinMarks] Is that a fair summary?
# 01:55 
[tantek] Not sure for whom that's a summary for
# 01:56 
[tantek] AP doesn't do any feed polling (pulling) or diffing, it's push only AFAIK
# 01:57 
[tantek] and yeah, the feed diffing bit of WebSub was always not great, and is a testament to its "patch existing feed readers" approach
# 01:57 
[tantek] better would be WebSub broadcasting notifications of new permalinks
# 01:58 
[tantek] and only notifing a "feed update" if/when information about the feed itself is updated
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# 21:58 
[tantek] [snarfed] a bit confused by the new Bridgy Fed homepage UI copy focus on "follow" (and removal of diagrams).
# 21:58 
[tantek] 2-4 lines of only text (no diagrams or illustrations) to pitch "follow someone" is a lot of work to comprehend for not much perceived benefit. IMO "following" is maybe barely in the top 10 reasons to use BridgyFed, certainly not in the top 5
# 22:00 
[tantek] Top reason is IMO is still to syndicate out your posts to fediverse followers, either directly using your site, or by POSSEing to a Mastodon account. While the new (& upcoming) capabilities & networks are cool, they're still secondary to that primary use-case of syndicating out to where more of your friends can read your posts
# 22:01 
[tantek] And then backfeed (and seeing notifications) in the BridgyFed dashboard is probably second
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# 23:01 
[KevinMarks] https://mastodon.social/@ada/111671835189946803
# 23:02 
Loqi [preview] [Ada Rose Cannon] I’d love a service where the RSS feed for your website can be followed from the fediverse ALSO the replies to the RSS items are displayed as comments on the page and people can leave comments from their instance on that post somehow. Ideally this w...
# 23:02 
[KevinMarks] sounds like a bridgy user story
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# 23:12 
[tantek] yes
# 23:13 
[tantek] thanks [KevinMarks], that supports what I was saying, which is the primary use-case for Bridgy Fed is NOT people coming to BridgyFed to follow other people, but rather people coming to BridgyFed so that other people can follow THEM