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aaronpk Tailwind << https://nuejs.org/blog/tailwind-misinformation-engine/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://nuejs.org/blog/tailwind-misinformation-engine/" to the "See Also" section of /Tailwind https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=93524&oldid=93509
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[tantek] wow 🍿
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to2ds I'll be convinced when no external CSS files are required and everything is done in the style attribute instead 😄
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[tantek] lol
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[Caleb_Hearth] capjames++ very neat
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[Caleb_Hearth] capjamesg++
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gRegor This is neat, alternative front end for Github, no JS: https://gothub.frontendfriendly.xyz/ (and great name, lol)
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[Al_Abut] [KevinMarks] I liked that toot thread about the insane skyscraper-like architecture of frontend stuff these days. It’s honestly why I let my js skills atrophy away - everything I created at work always took at least 1-3 dedicated devs to implement.
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[lcs] As an outsider with no skin in the game, it feels like the semantic vs Tailwind discussion is just a rehash of the same old discussions that front end developers had decades back. The debate is seemingly about the exact same approaches and principles that people were arguning about back in the early 2000s.
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[lcs] Quite fascinating to observe from afar.
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bacardi55[m] Is the "indieweb.txt" something really used? (https://indieweb.org/indieweb.txt)
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capjamesg I don't think so.
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capjamesg to2ds I gave you a shoutout in https://jamesg.blog/2024/02/29/linux-manual-pages/.
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Loqi [preview] Serving my blog posts as Linux manual pages
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aaronpk I have no memory of indieweb.txt but it sounds kind of silly
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] capjamesg++ - love your blog posts as man pages
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] [capjamesg] any plans to parse the markdown content to better suit the man page format? (like making headings bold and uppercase or something – not sure what are all the formatting man pages allow). seems like a big endeavour on its own (personally i've never tackled custom markdown parsing, but it sure is a topic i would like to explore one day). just wondering what are your thoughts on that.
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capjamesg I thought about it, but it would be a fair bit of effort.
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aaronpk Here you go: https://github.com/sunaku/md2man
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] man page all the things!
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] !meme man page all the things!
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] hmmm, definitely don't know how to make loqi generate memes
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aaronpk Oh darn that should have worked
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] @ttybitnik if i understood correctly, because diego (https://github.com/ttybitnik/diego) is a CLI tool, it can be used in any stack to import data from 3rd party services because:
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] • hugo data files are very conventional, widely used formats (json, yaml _etc_)
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] (yay for standard formats, CLI tools and UNIX philosophy)
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] • `diego set hugodir` could be generalized to "output dir"
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] not too familiar with hugo, so let me know if there's anything else that specifically ties this to hugo and not a general data importing tool
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Loqi 😄
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Loqi [preview] [ttybitnik] diego: A CLI tool for importing and utilizing exported social media data from popular services on Hugo websites.
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ttybitnik [Joao_Paulo_Pes]: Interesting! I think I tied it to Hugo because it's what I'm familiar with and it would be easier for me to maintain. (This is my debut in releasing open-source as well hehe)
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ttybitnik [Joao_Paulo_Pes]: But indeed. I think it could be expanded to other stacks as well.
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] @ttybitnik really impressive! love the docs and the autocompletions. will definitely try out when i want to import imdb data to my site (which is currently using a custom static site generator built from scratch)
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] ps: hi from a fellow mineiro 🔺
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ttybitnik [Joao_Paulo_Pes]: Haha thanks! Let me know if you find any issues
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ttybitnik [Joao_Paulo_Pes]: (Oh! Greetings hehe)
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[tantek] aaronpk, I remember the indieweb.txt proposal session at IWC Brighton and being skeptical then but figured it was ok to document it on the wiki
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[tantek] it hasn't had any uptake/interest since so it's largely historical at this point.
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[tantek] the definition etc. could be improved to note that historical context / lack of interest.
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ttybitnik [Joao_Paulo_Pes]: I checked it here. Basically, to use it with your static generator, you would have to bypass a validation for the `diego import` command. `diego import` checks if the cwd or the --hugodir have the basic Hugo directories before running the logic.
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ttybitnik [Joao_Paulo_Pes]: The error itself will display which directories are missing, if you create them you should be fine to bypass this validation and run the command. Feature-wise, only the --shortcode command would be specific to Hugo, since it uses golang inside the HTML.
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[tantek] with all the Tailwind/Semantic CSS 🍿 , I found this article at least entertaining https://www.spicyweb.dev/css-nouveau/1-vanilla-has-never-tasted-so-hot/ especially the section on CSS Resets 😂
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[tantek] I use a "CSS reset" on my personal site, and have for a long time, since I came up with the idea (originally proposed and I still use a file name of undohtml.css) and I'm very tempted to reply to https://www.spicyweb.dev/css-nouveau/1-vanilla-has-never-tasted-so-hot/2-the-new-css-reset/ "Or is it simply inertia, force of habit, a thing you do because you’re “supposed” to? _(Thus sayeth the CSS gods. So let it be written, so let it be
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[tantek] done.)"_ 😂
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[tantek] goodness sakes, almost 20y ago: http://tantek.com/log/2004/09.html#d06t2354
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starrwulfe Has anyone ever built a Matrix to Micropub/sub bridge before?
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] @ttybitnik thanks for the analysis! nice to know that it could be adapted to other scenarios
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] > [tantek] I'm very tempted to reply
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[Joao_Paulo_Pes] would love to hear your take on it
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[qubyte] Is there a current de facto standard CSS reset these days? I’ve not touched that code on my site in ages and it’s probably long overdue some attention.
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[aciccarello] I stripped out a lot of my CSS reset since half of it was IE related
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[Murray] [qubyte] definitive? not really. I'm a fan of Andy Bell's though: https://piccalil.li/blog/a-more-modern-css-reset/. I also agree with a lot of what Josh Comeau says here: https://www.joshwcomeau.com/css/custom-css-reset/
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[Murray] I would be interested to see where that Spicy Web article is heading, but not at $50 😄
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[tantek] qubyte I've kept mine quite small. latest is https://tantek.com/2024/undohtml.css
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[tantek] [Murray] I only read the freely viewable parts of the Spicy Web article(s)
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[qubyte] I actually opened a branch with Andy’s reset in recently and apparently forgot!
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[qubyte] Thanks for the links folks! I’ll study them this evening.
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[tantek] I think a lot of these "resets" are going beyond what is a reset, and into expressing some default design opinions, which IMO should be separated into a different style sheet
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[tantek] This criticism was also observed in the spicy vanilla article
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[qubyte] Perhaps I shouldn’t even have one. Maybe just a few rules for the most egregious divergences. I use a system font stack anyway, so I’m not going for _looks the same everywhere_.
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[tantek] the point of a reset is not a "clean" visual design. the point of a reset is to remove default browser styles that may interfere with creating a clean visual design
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[tantek] e.g. I have a separate minimal style sheet for expressing some opinions of a clean visual design baseline, which is simplified by depending on the prior reset: https://tantek.com/2024/elementica.css
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[tantek] this is something I should probably blog about. the split between reset, simple clean element visual design, and then whatever class-based styling system you build for your specific use-case, page, site, app whatever
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[tantek] this modularity has helped me solve each of those specific problems better IMO, without having to worry about all of them all the time
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[Murray] Yeah I can understand that point, but I do disagree. I see a reset as something which _modernises_ the default browser stylesheet. That will likely include overriding some aspects, whilst also applying preferred or beneficial defaults to various elements, and more modern CSS techniques that benefit overall development. I can see some pros to splitting it, but ultimately, I'd end up applying both stylesheets every time, doubling the requests,
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[Murray] seems like more faff 🤷
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[tantek] Agreed about applying both stylesheets every time, doubling the requests, except that in my experience at least it's been a negligible impact on perf and thus not worth the trade-off in complexity of a serverside-compile-and-return-one-stylesheet setup/tooling which is whole nother kind of faff 🤷‍♂️
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[tantek] though I suppose I could just make an all-the-css.php that does a few includes 🙂
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[tantek] with large dashed line comments between the files so anyone using view source could easily see the separate CSS files that were concatenated
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to2ds capjamesg - Glad the notes were helpful. Thank you for the shoutout!
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to2ds capjamesg - Will try to send a webmention, possibly delayed. It will be my current prototype's maiden voyage :D
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aaronpk i used to write my css as php files :)
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aaronpk back before css variables were a thing
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jacky that was the most reliable way to make custom themes
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jacky (blinks back in time at Shutterstock when that was done a lot too)
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[tantek] what was indieweb.txt
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Loqi indieweb.txt was a brainstorm proposal (discussed at IndieWebCamp Brighton 2015) for a plain-text-based something.txt approach to allow IndieWeb site owners to share information about their tools, strategies, features, and motivations; no known implementations or examples https://indieweb.org/indieweb.txt
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[tantek] bacardi55[m] ^ dfn and page updated
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[Al_Abut] [tantek] maybe I’m exactly the target audience for this but I love the standup comedy bits in your reset. _“who thought blue linked image borders were a good idea?”_
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[tantek] lol. I'm a big believer in code comments for humorous rants
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[Al_Abut] Agreed. Especially when they’re tone-matched to the era of the content. Seinfeldesque questions for 90’s era return to html simplicity.
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[Al_Abut] Whereas my internal learning dialogue is a little more like Carlin’s famous 7 bad words.
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_tommys [Murray]: Yes I meant to ignore the padding 😄
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gRegor Well, Eiffel 65's "Blue" was really popular you see... ;)
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_tommys [Murray]: Thanks Murray! This is really helpful
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[tantek] One thing I've realized is that "reset" means different things to different people
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gRegor what is css reset
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Loqi Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) are used to format the display of HTML https://indieweb.org/CSS_reset
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[tantek] which makes me less regretful about my more precise (even if less "popular" or "resonant") name of "undo html css"
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gRegor If anyone wants to add resources/thoughts there ^
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to2ds In the voice of Carlin - "Did you ever get fired after forgetting to remove that comment about your boss or company before checking in the code?"
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[tantek] oh yeah, such comments are only for personal projects. keep the corporate code dry
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to2ds Indeed.
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to2ds I think they should be called "commvents."
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rolle Nice to see CSS as a subject on IRC :)
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capjamesg CSS++
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[Al_Abut] @to2ds “commvents”! That’s genius.
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to2ds [Al_Abut] - Thank you.
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to2ds Carlin's humor was amazing and the perfect inner attitude/voice for a programmer 😄
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to2ds CSS++ is to CSS as C++ is to C?
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[tantek] CSS++
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[tantek] I want a style sheet / source code view that provides a red background or border around anything outside ASCII7
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[tantek] use-case: would have immediately highlighted the bad HTML comment closing tag we struggled with in #indieweb-meta
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capjamesg [Joe_Crawford]++ for https://artlung.com/blog/2024/02/29/leap-day/.
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capjamesg I have my time machine, which says that I haven't posted on a leap day.
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capjamesg https://jamesg.blog/time-machine/
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Loqi [preview] [Joe Crawford] Have I ever posted on Leap Day?
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capjamesg to2ds More in Linux man page esoteria: https://github.com/capjamesg/jamesg.blog.deb/tree/main
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to2ds capjamesg - Very cool and inspiring. Don't think I've ever created a deb package on my own.
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capjamesg You can fork that one and make one in five minutes.
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capjamesg You'll need to replace jamesg.blog with something else, though 😄
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to2ds That tip just saved me hours of debugging! 😄
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[KevinMarks] Anyone got a 20 minute talk in them? https://x.com/lewimorris/status/1763338366119301333?s=20
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capjamesg Oof.
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capjamesg Em...
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capjamesg That deadline is close haha.
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aaronpk 35 minutes
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capjamesg I do want to give a talk on ML in the browser.
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[KevinMarks] Dash off an outline
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[KevinMarks] I just sent a "20 years of Microformats" talk
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capjamesg Submitted.
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capjamesg Anyone else who is interested, you've got 30 minutes to fill out an application 😄
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capjamesg (Happy to help if you need me!)
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aaronpk i'm tempted to submit something about oauth haha
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[KevinMarks] Go for it, we can all hang out in Middlesbrough
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[KevinMarks] Your travel would be pricier than mine as I'm on my bike.
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aaronpk haha
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aaronpk make sure you save enough time to complete the captcha at the end 😂
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aaronpk submitted!
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