#dev 2024-06-28

2024-06-28 UTC
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[KevinMarks] Stuart's sorttable.js is still a good way to do sortable tables https://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/sorttable/
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[KevinMarks] boo to this
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[KevinMarks] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2024/06/dev-20240628-144719-screenshot_2024-06-28_at_15.46.50_0100.png
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[KevinMarks] has MacOS actually improved in the last 5 releases? Will this break the unix dev i actually use this Mac for?
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to2ds Having to ugrade an OS just to get a brower update? 🙁
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[KevinMarks] I bought this iMac so I'd have an Intel Mac for running linux VMs on, and I am wary of how muhc attention Apple will be paying to Intel Mac regressions now they're all Apple ARM
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[snarfed] wait, doesn't current macOS still support Intel?
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to2ds Haven't kept up on things Mac for a while, although I still have a Mini from around 2015.
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[snarfed] looks like yes, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#Timeline_of_releases
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to2ds Just recently migrated to Debian on my desktop and newer laptop.
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[KevinMarks] I'm sure it nominally does, yes. It's more that I run VirtualBox with Linux emulation in and it's a bit touchy about OS versions, and Apple stopped being the "keep everything running forveer" company It was when I left it a while ago.
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[snarfed] huh, I thought that was Microsoft, not Apple
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to2ds 😄
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[snarfed] Apple is way less shy overall about leaving people behind, esp niche software
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[KevinMarks] It was Apple pre 2003, but the ethos was changing when the NeXT people joined as they thought binary compatibility didn't matter as everyone recompiles everything (Unix mindset). The emulation worldview was there for a while as they went through architecture transistions, but it has faded since, yes
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[snarfed] ok! fair
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[snarfed] and yes, the Rosettas were/are amazing, powerful pieces of software
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to2ds Rosettas?
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[KevinMarks] The multi-CPU/OS architecture work the QuickTime team had done in the late 1990s was a solid baseline for that, they did keep a lot of it
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[KevinMarks] Rosetta was the name fro Apple's emulation software to keep software from previous CPU architectures running
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to2ds Ah! Thank you.
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[KevinMarks] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)
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[mattl] [KevinMarks] I think the oral history of Avie Tevanian he talks about Carbon being based on the work of the QuickTime player... it's a shame YellowBox for Windows never went anywhere (except they absolutely use it for iTunes for Windows)
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[KevinMarks] Yes, Carbon was the QT universal code, except they took out the mutex work which made it unstable on more than 1 CPU
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[KevinMarks] the QTOS/ Hypercard work got cancelled, sadly
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[tantek] [snarfed] curious if my most recent post (an article!) which was also "successfully" federated (according to my Bridgy Fed dashboard), also did not actually get displayed to any Mastodon followers: https://tantek.com/2024/180/b1/responsible-inventing, like my mf2+POSSE anniversary post
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[tantek] ah nm it looks like Tim Chambers saw it at least!
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[snarfed] yeah https://indieweb.social/@tantek.com@tantek.com has your last two posts
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[snarfed] those missing ones (two now) are a weird mystery
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[KevinMarks] So can Tantek federate to bluesky too?
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[KevinMarks] I think I'll make an Indieweb starter pack for bluesky, so being able to include Tantek and Aaron would be a good idea.
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[snarfed] yes! I've offered, I'm happy to turn on http://tantek.com => Bluesky as soon as he wants it 😁
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Loqi [preview] Tantek Çelik
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thegreekgeek Hey all! I posted this in #indieweb and was directed here. I'm trying to build the indiekit dockerfile on my Pi3b and I'm being told that npm can't determine the executable to run. Should I have downloaded the nodejs lts or is it something else entirely? I appreciate any insight!
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[tantek] [Paul_Robert_Ll] ^
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[tantek] What is Bluesky
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Loqi 🦋 Bluesky is another project with Twitter-like features with its own protocols for and approach to open and decentralized social media that several IndieWeb community members POSSE to https://indieweb.org/bluesky
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[tantek] [snarfed] can you fill out https://indieweb.org/Bluesky#How_to_federate with a summary of steps or link to Bridgy Fed docs accordingly? Trying to make all of this more discoverable starting from the wiki
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[snarfed] hah, web => Bluesky isn't quite self serve yet, I didn't get any takers on beta testing it, so it hasn't been a priority
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[snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/1034
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] #1034 Turn on web => Bluesky self serve
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capjamesg[d] Why would it be harder for a computer to process text that isn't in ASCII?
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[snarfed] capjamesg: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2003/10/08/the-absolute-minimum-every-software-developer-absolutely-positively-must-know-about-unicode-and-character-sets-no-excuses/ , 20+yo but still timeless
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[schmarty] oooo thanks, much better to let spolsky explain, haha. snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 54 karma in this channel over the last year (100 in all channels)
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capjamesg[d] "I’ve been dismayed to discover just how many software developers aren’t really completely up to speed on the mysterious world of character sets, encodings, Unicode, all that stuff."
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capjamesg[d] feels seen.
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jimwins It's a big area, and certainly when he wrote that there were a lot of systems that just assumed everything was encoded as ISO-8859-1 or whatever the Windows codepage semi-equivalent is. Thankfully UTF-8 is kind of the default expectation everywhere now.
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[qubyte] Except in programming languages born in the '90s. Looking at you Java and JavaScript.
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