#dev 2024-07-05
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[tantek] I'm also bringing up that I'd like to: briefly discuss Mastodon's introduction of fediverse:creator vs rel=author discussion (and if there's anything I/we can do to help this from a standards perspective) e.g.: https://indieweb.social/@caesar/112719249332136433
# [tantek] this Social CG telcon: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6b91f267-6cb4-41ca-9a67-5035cee827dd/20240705T130000/
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# [tantek] ooh this comment on the GH PR looks promising to me: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/30398#issuecomment-2205071362
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[Joe_Crawford] Followup from the mojibake conversation at Front End Study Hall. I finally remembered the name of the band whose display was sort of the gold standard for making sure we had UTF-8 right in the music player on the various apps at Slacker -- a french band that stylized their name as *«rinôçérôse»*
# [Joe_Crawford] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinôçérôse
# [Joe_Crawford] actually maybe that was the EU HWC
# [tantek] [snarfed] do you have guidance for BridgyFed users of what they should do with (redirect to what BridgyFed URL?) the http version of their ActivityPub actor URL e.g. for me: https://tantek.com/@tantek ?
# [tantek] like should I "just" redirect it to https://fed.brid.gy/web/tantek.com ?
# [snarfed] https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://tantek.com/ does it but redirects non-AP requests to your site, not a UI
# [snarfed] if you just need your AP actor id, it's https://fed.brid.gy/tantek.com
# [snarfed] ...but that's a bit legacy, web user ids who sign up now are on http://web.brid.gy, not http://fed.brid.gy
# [tantek] ah maybe redirect from mysite/@mysite to https://fed.brid.gy/r/ mysite is the answer, and also a good test of consuming using rel=author for proper redirect handling
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# [tantek] where that href redirects to https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://tantek.com/
# deci developer?
# deci speak everywhere here geman?
# deci i dont really understand the sense of indyweb in the fact of the inclusion of centralized social media.
# deci i dont use centralized social media and the so called decentralized social media is it not really, its a multicentralized social media.
# deci i understand under "indy" an independent of this social media, and unterstand it as a really decentralized, a indepentend social media.
# deci an really independent social media is possible. but no one has a interesst in it.
# deci i had coded a websoftware for a independent social media and cancel it, because all call multicentralized social media as decentralized social media and the interesst in a really decentralized social media dont exist.
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# deci i have many privat websites with each own domain. my first website started in the year 2004 on a freehost.
# deci so, the idea for a really decentraliced social media or indyweb is, to connect websites, so that every user has a special own website with a "stream" and see in this stream the fresh/newly content of other/added websites, and can make postings. a little bit decentralized micro blog social media. and since the last years an decentralized chat is possible (but a little cumbersome to install it).
# deci the basic idea is to get away from the big ones and make your own privat social media.
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# deci the big ones have destroyed the free internet. many websites from the late 1990 and early 2000 are offline or commercialized.
# deci i havae coded a foto gallery web-software, public domain, minimalistic. works on directory tree and only with SFTP and with IPTC/EXIF. no one has interesst. all on platforms like flickr.
# deci what is needed is not a connection to the big ones, but a connection between the privat websites for a big privat social media without the big ones.
# deci so, for that a "stream" is needed.
# [snarfed] we use HTML microformats, https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 , for feeds like those. it's a more modern version of RSS/Atom
# [snarfed] and we add https://webmention.net/ to let web sites interact with each other
# deci so that can i log in in my privat stream on my privat website and check the new content from other websites (microblogs), and can post in my microblog my new content from my websites.
# jimwins is there an h-feed validator out there, or is the best approach testing with the existing h-feed consumers?
# deci in the basics, it is a microblog with a stream, and in the stream other microblogs are included, also a multi-microblog stream, inside (login) my microblog. and i can add new microblogs, or de-add it.
# deci so, when i check my stream in the login in my website/microblog, all added microblogs are requestet for newly content and display it in my stream. so, i dont must visit all this websites/micoblogs manually.
# deci what the people needed is a own stream on a own website.
# deci so, example, celebrity photographs or authors. Many of this havn't a social media account, but only a managed website from his managing company. same by influencer. so, everyone must visit there websites manualle. But when this celebritys use a decentralized microblog, everyone with also such microblog can visit there and many other (new) content in his own stream.
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Loqi IndieWebify.me is a service that checks how IndieWeb-compatible your site by checking for feature support like Web sign-in, homepage h-card, & post h-entry; the verb indiewebify also means the act of making your site more IndieWeb friendly https://indieweb.org/Indiewebify
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# Loqi h-entry validator is one of the features of indiewebify.me (https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/) and can be used to check the validity of your h-entry permalink page, including whether it has various required or recommended properties, and authorship https://indieweb.org/h-entry_validator
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "h-feed validator" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "h-feed validator is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# jimwins yeah, indiewebify.me only validates the first h-entry on the page, so it's not quite there for validating an h-feed.
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# jimwins [tantek]++ thanks!