#dev 2025-05-11
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[tantek] capjamesg++ for writing up http://ufs.cc/w/rel-edit!
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doesnm typo? same query twice https://microformats.org/wiki/rel-edit
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perryflynn hm, why do I have to allow access to contacts in IndiePass Android App to create an IndieWeb account?
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# perryflynn I try to implement micropub right now. if I just want to make it work with my website and my API only supports like my own gitlab instance as auth endpoint, I don't need indieauth, right? just RelMeAuth, right?
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# perryflynn brb
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# christian re
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# perryflynn is a indiepass dev in the channel? https://github.com/IndiePass/indiepass-android/issues/449
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# perryflynn so PKCE is supported by indieauth? because in this example there is no challenge_method and no code_challenge mentioned: https://indieweb.org/obtaining-an-access-token#Authorization_Endpoint
# perryflynn it is included in the request I dumped from indiepass, I just thought until now it's unncessary. especially since the response is a code string which allows me to fetch a token from the token endpoint without any crypto.
# perryflynn kk, thanks. and the separation between code and token exists, so that the token is directly sent to the server without the client in between, right?
# perryflynn in theory I should then be able to use the token endpoint of by gitlab instance in my rel="token_endpoint" and just forward the challenge to gitlab. the forwarding / requesting will happening in rel="authorization_endpoint" endpoint with the clientid of my gitlab app in my micropub server.
# perryflynn hm ok. I tought it's finde since my clientID in gitlab only allows to get my public profile. then I have no other choice than chain my own openID provider in my micropub server and the actual ID provider in gitlab.
# perryflynn maybe I can cheat at least a little bit. in the end I only have to verify the code challenge and if the gitlab auth was successful. I don't need an user repository etc in my micropub server.
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GWG Anyone seen https://maps-black.github.io/ Looks interesting as a map service
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# perryflynn nice, indieauth works. thanks for the hints aaronpk.
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# [social] I’m trying to sort the high level framings of some of my work in a web form to see and then manage and categorize my large outline. I could hand code it in PHP, but looking at something quicker (as it is just for me not posted publicly). I’ve been doing all the data transformation from OPML > CSV > data frames > SQL all in Python, so Django or Flask may be viable options (not touched Django in years and never touched Flask).
# [social] The size of the SQL is just ~450 rows in one table and then two to four relational tables for categories, facets, and cross linking.
# [social] Ideas for PHP or Python related methods for building forms for managing this would be greatly appreciated.
# perryflynn I don't understand?
# [social] I’m looking to build an interface form for the SQL DB so I can go through and add categories and facets to the nodes / objects.
# [social] I can build a PHP web form for this by hand, but after 20 to 25 years I figured there may be an easier way to do that. There are an abundance of option for forms for initially capturing information, but not much for forms for maintenance.
# [social] I’m looking for decent options for building the forms to maintain the data and modify it.
# perryflynn ah. I think all big php frameworks have a form generator. from my experience there is always one edge case which is not possible with these, so I still stick to make forms by myself with twig templates.
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# [mail918] ↩️ I think I found a neat solution using web-components after all. I keep all the microformat important markup and wrap in in a light-dom webcomponent to handle everything else
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[KevinMarks] Django has a fairly mature form generator.
# perryflynn full indieauth implementation in 14 hours. not bad. login in indiepass works finally including all discovery and info endpoints. tomorrow I can finally start with micropub. but for now, good night.
# immibis web dev has an abundance of options but I don't know that any of them are easy
# [social] Django has been what I’ve been thinking what I’m leaning toward. I’ve been trying to weigh all options, incase I’m missing something.
# [social] The Python package FastHTML looked interesting, but I couldn’t get it to run anywhere (not even local a container). FastHTML didn’t seem to have robust form capability, but it has SQLite built in for some forms and dat use. It is also very new.
# [KevinMarks] Jinja2 is a good template language if you want PHP for python
# [KevinMarks] The basic principle is that you give it a nested python structure and a template, and the template has enough logic to do foreach and if type stuff
# perryflynn same for twig in PHP.
# [KevinMarks] So you do enough server side stuff to create a python data structure, then have a template to webify that
# [KevinMarks] Yes, related. Also nunjucks in node/json
# [social] I am okay coding in Python and PHP, but when I switch between them it takes a bit to get my mind sorted to take the correct approach.
# perryflynn I am heavily using jinja2 and twig, there is no big difference between them, so just use your favorite language. :-)
# [social] Interesting. Are you creating forms with Jinja2 or twig?
# perryflynn With twig. just a twig macro (aka a function) per form field and lets go. https://twig.symfony.com/doc/3.x/tags/macro.html
# [tantek] [social] consider also setting up a new URL design for your notes, without having to redo/rebuild your existing blog, if your URL paths allow for it. That way you can immediately start benefitting from posting notes on your own site (rather than social media), and your "past blog" becomes a fixed-in-size "backfill" task, rather than a massive re-engineering task
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