#dev 2025-05-23
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[aciccarello] What is webmention?
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Loqi Webmention is an open web standard (W3C Recommendation) for conversations and interactions across the web, a powerful building block used for a growing distributed network of peer-to-peer comments, likes, reposts, and other responses across the web https://indieweb.org/webmention
# [aciccarello] What is a static site
# Loqi A static site is a website that serves pages directly from files on the web server, which have often been previously generated by static site generator software only when created or updated, instead of for every request https://indieweb.org/static_site
# [aciccarello] (continuing from #indieweb): I have some details on how I manage webmentions in my Colophon page https://www.ciccarello.me/colophon/
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carrvo bread: you could also look at webmention.io, it would be a third party receiving the webmentions (keeps you static) and then you can inject them either with JavaScript or when you regenerate.
# carrvo What is webmention.io?
# Loqi webmention.io is an open-source project and hosted service for receiving webmentions on behalf of your indieweb site https://indieweb.org/webmention.io
# bread ok! ty
# bread if i sign up for webmention.io service, do i still need to host morris?
# bread morris as in for storing mentions in json format
# bread i think i understand it a bit more. so webmention.io is a self-hosted service that runs alongside of my static site. and i need to host webmension.io service somewhere myself...
# bread am i right?
# [aciccarello] You don't need to self host it
# [aciccarello] A community member runs it
# [aciccarello] And then you can get the list of mentions either at build time or client side
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[Jo] http://webmention.io also has an rss feed for your mentions! thats how i get a notification on my phone when i've been mentioned. on the website i use webmention.js to display the mentions on a page :^)
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# perryflynn what is cinnamon
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cinnamon" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "cinnamon is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# perryflynn what is aperture
# Loqi Aperture is an open source Microsub server developed by Aaron Parecki https://indieweb.org/Aperture
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doesnm perryflynn: https://github.com/capjamesg/cinnamon
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# perryflynn thanks
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# perryflynn I missed some these clients mentioned on aperture and cinnamon when I looked for pub/sub clients. will try some of them out. thanks. šļø
# perryflynn "together" looks interesting for example. Writing is not big of a deal IMHO. But I look for something to manage incoming replies and approve/answer them comfortably.
# perryflynn Goal is to be 100% independent, that's why I didn't started with webmention.io und Co.
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capjamesg I am experimenting with a bookmarks list: https://playground.jamesg.blog/bookmarks.html
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jeremycherfas Nice. I like the grid CSS for the list items.
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# LadyBanana o/ I'm trying to add a comments system to my static website -- with no javascript. Is it possible to use IndieAuth without any client side javascript whatsoever? Also, is it okay to have a static `state` value?
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[tantek] There's a handful of webmention comments embeds. See how http://kevinmarks.com does it which I believe is a static page. Not sure if the embed requires JS (it might)
# [snarfed] unrelated, we're still trying to fully understand, but it seems like to use the Threads API, and maybe other Meta APIs too, you're now *required* to be a business and undergo their business entity verification š https://www.facebook.com/business/help/1095661473946872
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# LadyBanana Yes. I'm planning on having anything needing a backend go through Cloudflare Workers, though I'd like to limit the amount of requests that go through it. Comment submission flow looks like login ->backend adds row to sql db with token and 30 minute timeout, user copies token and puts it in comments submission form, then submits comment. I think that only takes two calls to my backend, the login and comment submission?
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# zachary.kai Can I ask what DNS host people recommend, with the caveat of I need it to be free? Trying to avoid single point of failure.
# perryflynn afraid.org is nice, they offer allot free Subdomains and you can bring your own as well.
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[KevinMarks] I use http://webmention.heroku.app which is js based and does some neat things (eg if you have the page open and a webmention comes in the page updates}
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# [KevinMarks] You can ask voxpelli the details - it keeps a websocket open I think
# [KevinMarks] Makes for a good webmention demo
# Loqi server-sent events is a DOM API for receiving push notifications from a server via HTTP https://indieweb.org/server-sent_events
# [KevinMarks] Have you had problems with Heroku shutting down free tiers?
# [snarfed] re DNS, https://www.zoneedit.com/ is the (or at least an) OG of free DNS services. now owned by EasyDNS
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DNS Host" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "DNS Host is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# zachary.kai [tantek] Thanks for the recommendation! I'm going to go with that for my needs.
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trwnh huh, TIL about <link anchor="" in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8288#section-3.2 as a solution to the issue of applying links to fragments of a resource instead of the entire current resource
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# LadyBanana rggghhh!! why is indieauth so hard to understand? i just want to put a login button that will result in a jwt cookie that will be submitted with my comment form for stateless logins!
# LadyBanana indielogin.com/api makes it seem kind of simple--except i dont even know how far outdated that is! whats all this code challenges stuff??
# capjamesg [edit] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/edit-button-rel/ is live āØ
# Loqi Web sign-in is signing in to websites using your personal web address (without having to use your e-mail address) https://indieweb.org/Web_Sign-in
# LadyBanana Also... why do all the microformats.org parsers fail on my ellefson.dev site except the rust one??
# LadyBanana i think aaron is at a conference right now
# [snarfed] https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://ellefson.dev/ looks ok to me...?
# LadyBanana Huh, it keeps failing on the subdomain parsers, like https://go.microformats.org
# LadyBanana https://go.microformats.io *
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# perryflynn works on my private installation with mf2-php: https://pastebin.com/urVgLrrb
# LadyBanana thanks, gRegor! i'm using crimson pro as my font. i want to use a djr's fern eventually but not yet
# LadyBanana hmm, well i suppose i wont panic too badly then if its just cloudflare. thanks
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# trwnh after a bit more looking i found https://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#What_about_rel_bookmark to be somewhat relevant perhaps
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# trwnh the way that i'm modeling my resources is that they exist separately of the document, but for convenience are served in a single document. the workaround is to 1) generate a separate document for every item, 2) attach links with relations to those new documents/resources. but i'm trying to avoid that overhead :(
# trwnh like /monologues/foo redirecting to /monologues/#foo
# trwnh but then while browsing /monologues/ i can't edit individual entries, i need to do an HTTP HEAD on /monologues/foo and get the edit link from there? which means i need my http server to respond to that request...
# [tantek] basically if a spec lacks a test suite or implementation report I treat it like a W3C CR ā good idea/consensus in theory, but yet to be proven to be implementable or interoperable or even of interest to implementers (per feature). that's part of the value (difference) of between CR and REC. less so in the past, but certainly I'd say 90 (95?)%+ of W3C RECs in the past 10y have all had to have test suites, implementations that pass them, and