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osteophage Max: it's a matter of automating large amounts of pages, as I understand it. I haven't experimented with those yet though.
# osteophage For manually making blogpost pages, some folks in the hobbyist sphere use Zonelets: https://sainthood.xyz/blog/posts/accessible-zonelets
# osteophage [edit] For manually making blogpost pages, some folks in the hobbyist sphere use Zonelets: https://sainthood.xyz/blog/posts/accessible-zonelets
# osteophage If you'd like to have things like automatic timestamps and nested comment sections built-in, I'd probably recommend Dreamwidth: https://www.dreamwidth.org/
# isaisaeatmypizza Coyote: Thanks! I'll look into those
# isaisaeatmypizza Kolev: The breakfast lentils recipe on your website looks amazing!
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# [tantek]2 I am going to propose a phrase like "raw coding" as a contrast to "vibe coding" and also applicable to writing direct HTML + CSS
# osteophage Ovi Demetrian Jr. calls it "close to the metal": https://goodinternetmagazine.com/close-to-the-metal-web-design-and-the-browser/
# osteophage [edit] Ovi Demetrian Jr. calls it "close to the metal": https://goodinternetmagazine.com/close-to-the-metal-web-design-and-the-browser/
# [tantek]2 Yeah close to the metal is a classic phrase
# [tantek]2 Like referring to assembly/machine language back in the day instead of interpreted or even compiled languages
# [tantek]2 Also that's a slightly different axis as I evelive it's referring to direct to the platform coding instead of using a framework or library system like React
# [tantek]2 I believe*
# osteophage Good to know. I figured but wasn't sure - hard to know sometimes how much context I don't have.
# [tantek]2 Whereas raw vs vibe is more about both that and no use of LLMs to write the code
# [social] Raw coding works well.
# [tantek]2 Another way of saying "hand coding" except we really use mostly our fingers when typing than entire hands (and yes I realize it's a metaphor for other things made by hand)
# osteophage The way I put it on my website's about page is that it was written without the use of glue pizza machines.
# [social] Nothing preprocessed, just good raw fresh code.
# [tantek]2 Hah! Love that analogy
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[aciccarello] Haha I love the glue pizza reference
# [aciccarello] Hi Jeremy, is there a particular feature you're interested in? I personally like the ability to post to my site via micropub.
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jeremy aciccarello I will take a look at micropub - that could be a better workflow for me, rather than editing js via the github app. Currently troubleshooting how to add h-entry to posts that i inject via javascript. Mainly just wondering if there are any indiweb features i dont know about which ares useful/fun/interesting.
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[lazcorp] For reference I found a list of namespaced extensions at https://googlereader.blogspot.com/2006/08/namespaced-extensions-in-feeds.html
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# perryflynn Someone mentioned the podcast extension a few weeks ago.
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# perryflynn Hm, does anyone have an idea why it does not capture the keyboard inputs on a android smartphone?
# perryflynn It's made with a hidden text box to force the virtual keyboard to appear.
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[manton] [aaronpk] Playdate crank to pick letters would be amazing. I also had a crazy idea to use AI to auto-predict the next possible words in a new post, and use the crank to select from the available word choices. 🤪 Probably easier would just be a reader, with the crank to scroll through posts or photos, for example.
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# btrem I'm still struggling with an ical feed (I asked here, on June 14, 17, 18, and 19. Programming is such a joy.) So I have a question regarding a feed that does work, namely the indieweb events feed: https://events.indieweb.org/ics/events/preview
# perryflynn It should just work. I host some static ics files on abfall.nerdbridge.de with forced http->https redirect and all. Just works with thunderbird. If there are any headers then nginx sets them automatically.
# [social] One of my devices hit an “insecure connection” for the IndieWeb calendar feed over the weekend. But, quitting the calendar app and reopening the feed pulled properly. All my other devices and apps ran well.
# [social] Where was a certificate expiration a week or so ago, but that was resolved.
# perryflynn Could you provide a test URL?
# [social] That Google Reader page was a throwback. Many of the services listed aren’t around any longer, but it did bring back good memories.
# [social] [lazcorp] There aren’t many big differentiated parsers around these days. Regular article / post feeds and media for podcasts and video wrappers seem to be about all it is used for these days. So, there isn’t a great advantage.
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[mattl] https://codepen.io/theosoti/pen/azOKxoo — saw this, datalist is very interesting, especially for the color picker.
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# [aciccarello] That's cool
# [social] That is very cool indeed. The color picker had me swearing. I didn’t get the time options in Safari.
# [aciccarello] The color and time options don't seem to work in firefox
# [social] It seems the color picker in Safari is a bit different than Chrome. I sort of prefer the Safari version.
# [aciccarello] Quite a few notes on availability: https://caniuse.com/datalist
# [social] On Mac in Firefox I get the native color picker from Apple, which doesn’t do anything with the popular colors, but it does drop the color in when selected.
# [social] Watching [artlung] test his CSS form skills on my backend form I learned a ton. I modified a few things to fit preferences. But, also found differences in browser engines.
# Kolev Works best in Lynx™
# Kolev So I'm going to have to use the package manager's version of Certbot, to fix my HTTPS.
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gRegor btrem, does the ICS validate using https://icalendar.org/validator.html ?
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# [manton] I just spent a little time digging into the CC signals proposal. Anyone else look at this? It reminds me a little of [tantek]’s “CC no-training” idea from a while back. My post today: https://www.manton.org/2025/06/25/cc-signals.html
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# [lazcorp] Add Your Email Address to Your RSS Feed: https://florianziegler.com/journal/add-your-email-address-to-your-rss-feed
# [lazcorp] ...and a WordPress plugin that does that: https://herve.bzh/new-wordpress-plugin-rss-reply-via-email/
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# [tantek]2 [manton] I just clicked thru to the "technical documentation" on GitHub and must say I’m disappointed in multiple ways
# [tantek]2 First any v1 of something that needs a 34 page has been over designed and frankly over written. Like please get a good editor and trim it down to 2 pages max
# [tantek]2 Second the TECHNICAL docs don't bother with an actual technical example until near the end of the doc. We have known for decades that this is an antipattern in standards / specs. Right answer is a simple illustrative example on page 1 / above the fold/scroll
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# [tantek]2 Third. "Credit" is interesting however is basically a synonym to "Attribution" so that's confusing AF to make them mean different things, especially for anyone who is not a native English speaker
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# btrem aaronpk++ Thanks for clarifying. I'm totally lost with this. When I looked at a log in Thunderbird, it reported a webdav request, and a not authorized response. But my ical feed, like the events one, is (AFAICT) ics over https. I'd show a link here, but it's a closed site, one needs a username/password to access it. Still, thanks for replying. I'm getting to the point of giving up on this.
# khel_son hello guys
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "curl -h" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "curl -h is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi curl -H is a command line option for the curl command that takes a single parameter of an extra header to include in the request https://indieweb.org/curl_-H
# [tantek]2 [manton] for it to work with rel=license, we would need URLs for such a link element to point to, like one link for each combination of features for in their new HTTP header
# btrem as to one-time update vs subscription. This is why I'm at sea. The indieweb events feed is, as aaronpk said, ics over https. And that _is_ a feed. That is to say, it updates as new events are posted. I don't really get how that works. If I had to guess, ics over https provides a read-only feed, whereas webcal or or webdav is readwrite, which is how it works for a personal calendar. But what do I know? Very little, it seems!
# gRegor From enwp, "The Webcal protocol prefix is used to trigger an external protocol handler which is passed the URL of the .ics file rather than being passed the downloaded contents of the file, in much the same way feed is sometimes used to trigger external RSS readers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webcal
# [manton] [tantek] Okay, so I guess it’s fine to have multiple rel=license tags? Something like this (when they have finished this with official URLs): https://gist.github.com/manton/e309642d1bd8c07d34521a22745f26cb
# [aciccarello] I've wondered how rel=license handled different licenses for photos and text content on the same page
# btrem Just came across this: "Most desktop WebDAV clients do not support Cookies/Forms authentication and require Basic, Digest, NTLM or Kerberos. They cannot present the HTML login page with the login form." https://www.webdavsystem.com/server/documentation/choosing_authentication
# [tantek]2 [manton] yes multiple rel=license links are ok and imply OR semantics, not and. I.e. the content consumer can pick ANY of the linked licenses to obey and ignore the others
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