#dev 2025-07-20

2025-07-20 UTC
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[mattl] what is irc
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Loqi 💬 Internet Relay Chat (abbreviated IRC), in particular the #indieweb channels on the libera.chat network, is the primary community discussion forum for IndieWebCamp and anything about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/IRC
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[mattl] I’m dubious how well irc:// links are supported but adding one anyway
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[mattl] what is rss
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Loqi RSS is an acronym for a set of XML feed file format variants used for syndicating time-stamped content from web sites like blogs and podcasts, and sometimes a shorthand for feed file formats as a whole including Atom, or even more broadly for the concept of feeds or syndication in general https://indieweb.org/RSS
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rubenwardy brexit is brexit
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[tantek] Huh?
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[tantek] Are people still using Bootstrap for new projects?
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[tantek] Or rather, given today's richer CSS features & support, there should no longer be a need for Bootstrap right?
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[tantek] Maybe a question for FrESH cc [artlung]
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nsmsn Bootstrap CSS might be overkill for a project like the one mattl is describing. I kind of like the water.css approach: https://watercss.kognise.dev/
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nsmsn [edit] Bootstrap CSS might be overkill for a project like the one mattl is describing. I kind of like the water.css approach: https://watercss.kognise.dev/
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nsmsn Any more complexity could be layered on in a “bespoke” way
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nsmsn There are a lot of other small base stylesheets similar to water, this was just the first which popped in my mind
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doesnm i have watercss on my homepage
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nsmsn Kelp UI is another project I’m keeping an eye on (for folks not interested in building a UI from scratch, or layering on to something accessible and functional) https://kelpui.com/
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nsmsn [edit] Kelp UI is another project I’m keeping an eye on (for folks not interested in building a UI from scratch, or layering on to something accessible and functional) https://kelpui.com/
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[tw2113] whenever I search for how to do something with javascript, I hope Chris' site shows up
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[0x3b0b] That used to be pretty much how I felt about Diego Pierini and Andrea Giammarchi, I think, after I came across them via Technorati
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[tantek] 🫗 for T'rati. We really need a new real time blog post search engine. None of the recent "replacements" seem to do this. Plenty of small "blog" search sites, nothing based on pure recency
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[tantek] Too many folks over indexing (so to speak) on some sort of "relevancy" secret sauce
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[tantek] Secretsauce--
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capjamesg [tantek] I saw a site that indexed RSS feeds for personal sites but I can never remember the name of it.
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capjamesg I remember it had a yellow background. I know that's not the most helpful description 🙃
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doesnm indiepage?
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capjamesg I don't think so? I'd need a link, but that name doesn't ring a bell.
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capjamesg Oh https://indieblog.page/ ? It's not this, but this is related.
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capjamesg [edit] Oh https://indieblog.page/ ? It's not this, but this is related.
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doesnm yes i mean this
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[tantek] Can you share a search link that shows results by most recent first?
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capjamesg I can't remember the name of the site I'm thinking of 😂
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capjamesg I think it had that exact feature on the home page.
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capjamesg It had a nice design with black dotted borders.
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capjamesg Ah I can't find it 😭
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capjamesg I do agree re: having such a tool.
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capjamesg I like the idea of indexing web feeds instead of crawling websites.
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capjamesg That would substantially reduce the amount of work you need to do while ensuring that the most important content was surfaced.
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[KevinMarks] There are a choice of classless css libraries that style semantic html well. Have a look at https://webawesome.com/docs/utilities/native
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osteophage capjamesg[d]: I don't know of a site that fits that exact description, James, but two others I know of are https://ooh.directory/ and https://minifeed.net/welcome
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osteophage [edit] capjamesg[d]: I don't know of a site that fits that exact description, James, but two others I know of are https://ooh.directory/ and https://minifeed.net/welcome
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capjamesg Minifeed was it!!!
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capjamesg osteophage[d]++
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capjamesg Thank you so much!
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capjamesg I have been trying to refer to this several times and could never describe it.
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[mattl] KelpUI looks good. It has enough of a non-generic look.
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osteophage Oh! Glad to have helped out then.
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capjamesg [tantek] They appear to have a limited dataset but https://minifeed.net/global was what I was thinking of.
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capjamesg [edit] [tantek] They appear to have a limited dataset but https://minifeed.net/global was what I was thinking of.
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capjamesg What is a bookmarklet?
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Loqi A bookmarklet is a web browser bookmark that runs javascript commands on the current page; indieweb bookmarklets are often useful for responding to the current page https://indieweb.org/bookmarklet
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capjamesg /bookmarklet << [https://adactio.com/journal/20965 Bookmarklets for testing your website]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://adactio.com/journal/20965 Bookmarklets for testing your website]" to the "See Also" section of /bookmarklet https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=102888&oldid=100489
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capjamesg [edit] /bookmarklet << [https://adactio.com/journal/20965 Bookmarklets for testing your website]
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "[edit] /bookmarklet" or similar
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capjamesg /bookmarklet << [https://jamesg.blog/2025/03/17/rel-bookmarklet Bookmarklet to show all rel= links on a page]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://jamesg.blog/2025/03/17/rel-bookmarklet Bookmarklet to show all rel= links on a page]" to the "See Also" section of /bookmarklet https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=102889&oldid=102888
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capjamesg [edit] /bookmarklet << [https://jamesg.blog/2025/03/17/rel-bookmarklet Bookmarklet to show all rel= links on a page]
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "[edit] /bookmarklet" or similar
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capjamesg /bookmarklet << [https://jamesg.blog/2025/02/16/my-static-site-editing-bookmarklet My static site editing bookmarklet] by {{capjamesg}} describes how he used a bookmarklet to open a web-based source code editor for the page he is viewing on his website.
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://jamesg.blog/2025/02/16/my-static-site-editing-bookmarklet My static site editing bookmarklet] by {{capjamesg}} describes how he used a bookmarklet to open a web-based source code editor for the page he is viewing on his website." to the "See Also" section of /bookmarklet https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=102890&oldid=102889
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capjamesg [edit] /bookmarklet << [https://jamesg.blog/2025/02/16/my-static-site-editing-bookmarklet My static site editing bookmarklet] by {{capjamesg}} describes how he used a bookmarklet to open a web-based source code editor for the page he is viewing on his website.
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "[edit] /bookmarklet" or similar
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gRegor heh
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capjamesg It's still adding content; I think the sorry messages are some kind of loopback?
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capjamesg /bookmarklet << {{capjamesg}} designed his web reader, [[Artemis]], with a bookmarklet for subscribing to a website. This bookmarklet pre-populates a "note" field so the user can keep track of what page they were on when they clicked to subscribe to the website. This is outlined in [https://jamesg.blog/2025/03/21/artemis-bookmarklet Adding “subscribed via” to the Artemis bookmarklet].
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Loqi ok, I added "{{capjamesg}} designed his web reader, [[Artemis]], with a bookmarklet for subscribing to a website. This bookmarklet pre-populates a "note" field so the user can keep track of what page they were on when they clicked to subscribe to the website. This is outlined in [https://jamesg.blog/2025/03/21/artemis-bookmarklet Adding “subscribed via” to the Artemis bookmarklet]." to the "See Also" section of /bookmarklet https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=102892&oldid=102890
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capjamesg [edit] /bookmarklet << {{capjamesg}} designed his web reader, [[Artemis]], with a bookmarklet for subscribing to a website. This bookmarklet pre-populates a "note" field so the user can keep track of what page they were on when they clicked to subscribe to the website. This is outlined in [https://jamesg.blog/2025/03/21/artemis-bookmarklet Adding “subscribed via” to the Artemis bookmarklet].
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "[edit] /bookmarklet" or similar
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gRegor interesting, hadn't seen minifeed before
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gRegor I think it has that XML parsing issue with `<title type="xhtml">` because tantek's posts and mine don't show titles, just the dates.
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gRegor capjamesg, Discord is sending edits when it unfurls the link preview, so it starts off the message with "[edit] /bookmarklet << ..."
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "capjamesg, Discord is sending edits when it unfurls the link preview, so it starts off the message with "[edit] /bookmarklet" or similar
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gRegor oh geez
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gRegor lol
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gRegor and we don't have a page "[edit] bookmarklet" of course :)
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osteophage How did that ping Loqi?
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gRegor Two left angle brackets is a shortcut to add to a page
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gRegor User:Gregorlove.com << add some text
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Loqi ok, I added "add some text" to a new "See Also" section of /User:Gregorlove.com https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=102894&oldid=101863
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osteophage Oh, I see.
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gRegor Handy for adding quick links/info to the See Also section on a page, usually to be wiki gardened more later
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gRegor gives Loqi a Discord edit
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Loqi grabs the Discord edit
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[tantek] gives Loqi a Discord [edit] clue
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Loqi loves the Discord [edit] clue
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[tantek] capjamesg++ https://minifeed.net/search?q=Indieweb is not bad!
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