#dev 2025-08-06

2025-08-06 UTC
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[tantek] This seems relevant to some indieweb interests like posts with locations:
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[tantek] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-address-formats.en.html (it's a draft so comments / issues welcome!)
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capjamesg [snarfed] I started setting up bridgy fed today. One thing I wished I could do was set a featured image without having to load the URL on my home page.
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capjamesg Right now I am using an image that's display none.
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capjamesg It would be cool if I could do this with a link header instead so the user doesn't have to load an image that they will not see.
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capjamesg I don't have a banner image on my site but I wanted one on the fediverse representation.
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[snarfed] capjamesg oh interesting, hmm
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[snarfed] I wonder if what other markup besides img you could use that would parse into the photo property
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[snarfed] a class=u-photo href?
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capjamesg That would be good.
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[snarfed] er, sorry, u-featured
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[tantek] right, u-featured
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[tantek] capjamesg, AFAIK there is no standard "fediverse representation" for "banner image", unless you know what that property is for what object in AS2?
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[tantek] or do you mean a Mastodon proprietary banner/hero image?
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capjamesg Mastodon is where I am looking but I assumed that other Fediverse tools also had support for some kind of banner image.
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[snarfed] afaict capjamesg is just talking about what Bridgy Fed uses when converting from web mf2, which is u-featured
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capjamesg Yes ^^
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[snarfed] tantek is right that there's no official standard AS2 property for header/banner image. Mastodon (and most other fediverse software afaik) uses `icon` for profile picture, `image` for header/banner. https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#properties-used-1
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capjamesg Good to know!
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[tantek] wow that's kind of an abuse of those properties
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[tantek] wondering if we should consider either a separate "banner" (like 'u-banner' property) for h-card for this, or is u-featured "good enough"? I would expect u-featured to still be a picture of the *person* though, not a "background image for their profile"
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[tantek] yet another example (similar to squatting on "summary" for content-warnings) that the supposed "easy" extensibility of AS2 is not easy, and instead resulted in "hey this property over here looks close enough, let's special purpose it for something vaguely related to its semantic"
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[snarfed] maybe. various other fediverse software projects have introduced lots of real AS2 extension properties too, and many of them have been standards-tracked after the fact, eg https://swicg.github.io/miscellany/ and related CG reports
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[snarfed] Mastodon has been somewhat unusual in abusing existing properties
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[tantek] huh, could just be the "biggest player taking shortcuts" effect
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[tantek] [snarfed] would be nice if someone actually had a flat list of such extensions somewhere. Pretty sure there's a W3C wiki page for this
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[tantek] instead of having to "hunt" for them. maybe even a (gasp) registry 🙂
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[snarfed] maybe. but they made those choices a long time ago
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capjamesg [Jo] Do you use a Europe-based domain registrar?
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capjamesg I am looking for recommendations.
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[Jo] Yes IONOS is Germany based and they're fine, I don't have experience with any other domain registrars though. I know some people who use smaller Germany/EU based registrars but I'm blanking on their names right now
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[Jo] netcup is one
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capjamesg Hm Netcup looks good!
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[Jo] yes I've been thinking of switching for a while now
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btrem capjamesg for the link to an image, maybe `<data class="u-featured" data="/path/to/image.jpeg"></data>`?
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capjamesg That could work?
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btrem WFM for similar uses. Well, "works" as in a parser sees the value.
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btrem I use it for the photo h-entry with a location h-card where the p-name of the h-card is already in the h1 element of the h-entry page.
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btrem Looking for an example to show you....
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btrem ...and discovering that many pages are missing their images. :(
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capjamesg I think data is better than I have right now.
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btrem Finally found a working example: https://btrem.com/2023/05-aboretum
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Loqi [preview] [Brian Tremblay] U.S. National Arboretum
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btrem with the code `<div class="p-location h-card"><data class="p-name" value="U.S. National Arboretum"></data><!-- etc --></div>`
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btrem cue someone to come along and pester me with "what is your consuming use case?"
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btrem No? No one? No? Ok. :-D
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btrem On a different topic: is there a vcalendar to yaml/json/something readable converter? I'm trying to debug an ics feed. (And once again, getting frustrated with Drupal.)
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gRegor No experience, but here's one to go to CSV https://github.com/loteoo/icsp
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Loqi [preview] [loteoo] icsp: Command-line iCalendar (.ics) to TSV / CSV utility. Written in Bash + AWK
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gRegor and hugops for Drupal
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btrem "hugops"? I don't get it.
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btrem I was hoping for a site wher I could paste in vcal text and immediately see json. IOW, I was trying to be lazy! Ah well, looks like I'll have to save the feed and then convert it.
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btrem gRegor++ thanks
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Loqi gRegor has 41 karma in this channel over the last year (114 in all channels)
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gRegor HugOps means empathy/support for building/working with software, a play off of DevOps
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btrem Ah. Right. Yeah, I'm still trying to get an ical feed working. And getting strange results with curl, like 406 not acceptable, even though AFAICT curl sends an accept header of */*. So why is Drupal sending 406?
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btrem If I make the feed public (only on my localhost dev server), I get valid VCALENDAR data. But it's too hard to parse, hence my need for a converter. And if I get *that* to work, then I have to figure out basic http auth. Ugh.
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[snarfed] (apologies for the pedantic nitpick) I think hugops is usually aimed specifically at ops stuff, eg firefighting downtime
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[snarfed] great term and sentiment regardless!
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[tantek] [snarfed] this is the pedantic nitpick about technologies channel 😂
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capjamesg 😂
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gRegor XD
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bugsmith aaronpk[d] hope this is an ok place to reach out to you. Is micropub.rocks still considered a live project? It's still running, of course, but there hasn't been any commits in years.
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bugsmith If it is, I've submitted a couple of PRs that I'd appreciate being review 🙂
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IWDiscord <b​ugsmith>
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btrem I just came across the most useless website that claims to convert ical to other formats. I saved my ical as a text file, uploaded it to the site, clicked the "convert to..." button. It popped up only two options: txt and html. I chose txt. It then "converted" the file to a text file with the vcalendar markup. IOW, it did jack all. WTF?!
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btrem It's almost comically useless.
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btrem I wonder what the source code is for this genius tool. :/
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aaronpk @bugsmith thanks, yes it's still "active", it just hasn't needed a lot of changes. I did see your PRs come through but haven't had a chance to review them yet
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mathium05 btrem: weird
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mathium05 what is this channel about?
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[schmarty] mathium05: usually our bot Loqi answers "what is ...?" questions, but appears not to be, at the moment.
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[schmarty] see https://indieweb.org/discuss for more on what the various indieweb discussion channels are about! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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[artlung] Marty is on it - and there's a specific "Chat Channels Purposes" section https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels_Purposes
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mathium05 So is this conversation about dev work, or convs about indieweb dev?
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capjamesg Conversations about the technical part of building our websites and tools related to websites.
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mathium05 Oki
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mathium05 Ok, moving that convo here
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[snarfed] m​athium05 yeah if you can't modify HTML _or_ HTTP headers, then you can't really do much
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mathium05 I don't think cloudflare pages allowed changed to HTTP headers
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mathium05 And the HTML is a part of a FOSS project, which I could change but that'd make *everyones* HTML contain it
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mathium05 I can add DNS records to my domain
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mathium05 (how I verified it on discord)
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[artlung] That doesn't sound like a personal website which is 1:1 for you then. One thing indieauth can do is if you have a github account and a fediverse account (as in Mastodon) and they both point at *each other* using rel="me" then you can sign in using your mastodon url in a way analogous to a personal website.
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mathium05 I guess not, but the reason I want to login is to add information about related topics to my website
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mathium05 (there's a stub artical that I want to expand )
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mathium05 [edit] (there's a stub artical that I want to expand)
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mathium05 [edit] (there's a stub article that I want to expand)
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[snarfed] mathium05 what's your personal web site?
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mathium05 https://fermi.chat
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mathium05 [edit] https://fermi.chat
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mathium05 Warning, the home page needs to be reworked
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[snarfed] that looks like the site for your app. do you have a personal site, ie for yourself?
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mathium05 I've not touched it in a while
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[snarfed] that's ok
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mathium05 not really, I plan to set up a blog under a sub domain about development of that website
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mathium05 But the blog engine is fighting me for some reason
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mathium05 Half tempted to write my own
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[snarfed] hah you're in good company here
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mathium05 I've made my own Markdown renderer already
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mathium05 twice
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mathium05 First time I just made a string of the HTML
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mathium05 second time I made the HTML element
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mathium05 [edit] second time I made the HTML elements
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mathium05 What harm could going for a third time arround have? /hj
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jak2k Oh, I'm making my own “CMS” and it's not overly ambitious at all.
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mathium05 CMS?
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mathium05 Ah, found what it stands for
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hughrawlinson Hey folks, I’d attempt this myself but I’m hampered by a powercut atm - would anyone mind setting the font-size for the search box on the wiki to 16px because if the text is smaller than that on an iOS device it will do that weird slight zoom thing? https://css-tricks.com/16px-or-larger-text-prevents-ios-form-zoom/
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hughrawlinson It might be possible to do here: https://indieweb.org/MediaWiki:Common.css
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mathium05 So am I going to be stuck unable to expand the wiki artical until I get my blog thingy up and running? lol
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[snarfed] mathium05 sadly yeah, sorry
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[snarfed] in the short term you can sign up with an IndieWeb-friendly host like http://micro.blog and use that pretty much immediately
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[snarfed] more: https://indieweb.org/web_hosting
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mathium05 Got the blogging engine to not be mad at me :3
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mathium05 Gonna take a minute to set up though
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bugsmith aaronpk: okay, good to know that's the case. no rush on the reviews, I mostly just wanted to make sure they'd come to your attention 🙂
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gRegor A domain (or subdomain) with a minimal index.html and a rel-me to your email and/or github would work, if that's possible for you. Don't have to have a whole CMS running.
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gRegor what is rel-me
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Loqi Using rel=me on a hyperlink indicates that its destination represents the same person or entity as the current page, which is a key building-block of web-sign-in, IndieAuth, and ✅ distributed identity verification https://indieweb.org/rel%3D%22me%22
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gRegor I think Loqi didn't answer earlier due to ending in a preposition ("about")
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gRegor What id discuss
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gRegor what IS discuss
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Loqi 💬 Join #indieweb discussions via Discord, Slack, web chat, or IRC, (they are all bridged!) with focused channels for developers, WordPress, and meta topics! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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mathium05 I've been meaning to get a blog up and running
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mathium05 So I'm getting a blog up and running
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gRegor Cool!
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mathium05 Mostly gonna be a blog about what I'm doing on the main domain though lol
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mathium05 Cause there's people who want to know what I've done, but I've not really documented it in one place
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mathium05 So this should help lol
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