#dev 2025-08-27

2025-08-27 UTC
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[artlung] what is a jam?
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Loqi ♫ jam is an active type of post used to share a song that you are recently enjoying https://indieweb.org/jam
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[artlung] https://panamaplaylists.com is certainly interesting.
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[artlung] > _I found the real Spotify accounts of celebrities, politicians, and journalists. Many use their real names. With a little investigating, I could say with near-certainty: yep, this is that person._
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[artlung] > _I’ve been scraping their playlists for over a year. Some individuals even have a setting enabled that displays their last played song. I scraped this continuously, so I know what songs they played, how many times, and when._
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[tantek] wow
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[schmarty] some cute ideas in here! https://hyperclay.com/
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[schmarty] (lots of prior art, of course, but i like when folks use this approach)
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[tantek] lolsob at "have to keep fixing typewriters" 😭
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[tantek] great explanation of the goals / concept. lost me at "is a NodeJS server" tho
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[artlung] the server end is necessary, of course, for persistence. people choose the server tech they need for that.
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[artlung] Effectively `contenteditable` + server saves
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[artlung] herebox mentioned CRDT the other day which I had heard of conceptually but is something I want to play with at some point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict-free_replicated_data_type
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[artlung] Pierre just mentioned https://github.com/yjs/yjs to me, New to me.
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Loqi [preview] [yjs] yjs: Shared data types for building collaborative software
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[schmarty] yjs has pretty great docs that explain CRDTs (in the context of their software, of course)
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[tantek] CRDT++
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Loqi CRDT has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] re: "the server end is necessary, of course, for persistence. people choose the server tech they need for that" yeah to me that should be a single standalone PHP file, in alignment with the single HTML file. no Node server, no npm. all that crap = highly fragile over time.
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[artlung] build it tantek!
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[tantek] artlung, it's literally one of my project I've been incrementally documenting approaches / design on the wiki: https://indieweb.org/wiki-projects#Static_Pages_Plus_HTTP_Headers
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[tantek] and this related "Working On": https://indieweb.org/Falcon#named_pages
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[artlung] tantek++ walking it like you talk it
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Loqi tantek has 32 karma in this channel over the last year (157 in all channels)
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[schmarty] i see this video popped up in #indieweb-stream a couple of months ago, but i just came across it today. great recap of this youtuber building their retro-inspired site. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62NJbICVWkQ
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[KevinMarks] Sounds like tiddlywiki
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[tantek] tiddlywiki is js;dr right?
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gRegor what is tiddlywiki
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Loqi TiddlyWiki is a responsive website platform built as a single file in HTML, CSS, and JavaScript https://indieweb.org/TiddlyWiki
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gRegor Whoa, quite a few examples there
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doesnm > Brandon Hall uses a custom workflow (detailed here on YouTube) to turn his local TiddlyWiki install into a static site website.
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[aciccarello] I like the concept of TiddlyWiki but never liked any of the UIs I tried.
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[tantek] I too like the concept but js;dr is a non-starter for me
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