#dev 2025-10-12
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solonovamax (moving this over from #indieweb)
# solonovamax not sure if this is the best place to ask, but idk really where else to ask:
# solonovamax does anyone know of any implementations of rss' <cloud> tag?
# solonovamax I'd like to implement it for a server, but I have no clue what exactly it wants as the documentation is so vague (see: https://www.rssboard.org/rsscloud-interface, https://cyber.harvard.edu/rss/soapMeetsRss.html#rsscloudInterface)
# [snarfed] solonovamax consider https://websub.net/ instead? the more modern, indieweb friendly alternative
# solonovamax yeah ik there's websub as well which I was going to also do, however it would be nice if I could offer support for both
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[tantek] might be easier to start with WebSub first since it's got an actual spec with details (W3C Recommendation) and test suite https://websub.rocks/ — then explore generalizing to support the RSS cloud tag.
# solonovamax yeah it's just I can't find any information on what the request/response looks like for it. I do know that for the <cloud> tag. I can guess at what the request will look like for the XML-RPC variant, but I have no clue for the HTTP POST variant or the SOAP variant
# solonovamax nope
# solonovamax I tried looking at a couple of random FOSS feed readers but none of them had any (relevant) references to "cloud"
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gRegor I think Colin Walker has been experimenting with rsscloud in recent years. Search "rsscloud" on https://colinwalker.blog/search/
# solonovamax actually I did just manage to find this which sheds a *bit* of light on what the response shape looks like, but it's still not the best: https://web.archive.org/web/20091025131338/http://rsscloud.org/walkthrough.html
# solonovamax hmmm, interesting ty
# solonovamax yeah I just now found that one
# solonovamax and also https://github.com/rsscloud/rsscloud-server which will probably be pretty useful, though they don't seem to implement the SOAP interface
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "RSS cloud" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "RSS cloud is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# solonovamax it's basically websub but specifically for rss and shittier
# [tantek] yup, in 2001. here you go with citations: https://indieweb.org/timeline#2001
# solonovamax due to the recession, version increments now increment the minor or major versions
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# gRegor Found it and set up the redirect: https://indieweb.org/rssCloud
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# carrvo aaronpk, it is super late but I can't sleep and your JWKS comment is stuck in my head. I found my original experiment!
# carrvo I remember now that mod_auth_openidc wanted a JWT, which required some kind of signature.
# carrvo I think I figured out an algorithm, but not how to configure the library with a predefined secret. Or something.
# carrvo If you, or anyone else, knows how to configure that particular library without JWT, and just the payload, I would be happy to revisit.
# carrvo JWKS would have been my next pursuit so that secrets could be handed around in a way the library could be configured for. Or so my ignorance led me.
# carrvo Now that I have figured out composer packages and Debian packages I could also consider retrying with a JWKS library...
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[KevinMarks] indielogin just allowed me to login with my bsky account using http://kevinmarks.com
# [KevinMarks] I din't realise that https://kevinmarks.com/ times out. Bugger. how do I fix that then? It used to work, and works with www - is this because I'm using Route53 for it?
# [KevinMarks] chrome password manager and aws are now fighting over how I login as I have 2 other aws accounts I use and 2 different http://amazon.com accounts, and I can't find the combinationt hta works for aws with my gmail address
# [KevinMarks] OK, I think I fixed https://kevinmarks.com by untangling netlify and aws stuff - let me know if it works now
# [KevinMarks] hm, so now I fixed the https serving it's using http://indieauth.com and rel=me login when I use http://indielogin.com
# [KevinMarks] maybe I need to do more work to disentangle the various things I have set up there
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# [KevinMarks] The atproto model for multiple apps using the same login and storing structured data in the PDS looks like a working implementation of a lot of previous PDS ideas. What's not clear is having separate authorization for different apps to read each other's data. I think they're all public now
# [KevinMarks] Which, to be fair, all the web2 ones were initially.
# [KevinMarks] So it could be possible to, say, declare a webmention lexicon and have a webmention handler write mentions to the PDS for use by other apps.
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# [KevinMarks] You could say that about the Web too
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# [morganm] Im volunteering for a conference, a linux conference, and encouraging them to use a simple SSG and or edit HTML directly because its basically 3 landing pages with a few links to off site resources. Whats the tips or downlow on indieweb-ifying a organizations website?
# Kolev I worry that POSSE breaks Mastodon threads and alt text
# Kolev When I was using WordPress it broke threads
# Kolev Maybe I can get it working in Zola
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