#dev 2025-10-30

2025-10-30 UTC
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[Al_Abut]
Just read the RSS page and whoa, that’s a ton of info that doesn’t mention feed readers or easy ways to get started
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[Al_Abut]
@rgbivvv if you’re looking for a reader on rss, you might want to try NetNewsWire. It was an old school app that the original creator took back after he retired and is back in regular development as a non-profit. It’s solid in terms of no weird limits to get you to upgrade, ads, ai, etc.
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[tantek]
I mean because if you want to talk about feed readers we have a page for that
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[tantek]
what is a feed reader
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Loqi
A feed reader (sometimes called an RSS reader) is an application (local or on the web) subscribes to feeds (often limited to Atom or RSS) and presents posts from them in an interface for reading, typically without any way to respond, in contrast to an interactive social reader https://indieweb.org/feed_reader
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[tantek]
conscious design decision to shift use of terminology away from plumbing-centric labels and toward more user use-case centric labels
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[Al_Abut]
Gotcha. That’s good for info capture and overall info gardening, the connection UX and content could be better though.
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[Al_Abut]
Like I don’t see a link to the feed reader page from the rss one, not even in the See Also section.
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[tantek]
oh yeah that's a good point. could use a hat link there
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[Al_Abut]
Probably just an obvious oversight
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[Al_Abut]
I’ve got that “fresh eyes because I’m willing to ask inane questions” technique down ;)
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[Al_Abut]
I’ve got like 90 seconds before I have to head out the door for a group ride, lemme see how quickly I can make an edit
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[Al_Abut]
*cracks fingers*
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Loqi
fresheyes has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek]
fresheyes++
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[tantek]
[Al_Abut]++
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Loqi
[Al_Abut] has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (10 in all channels)
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[tantek]
askingquestions++
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Loqi
askingquestions has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek]
oh sorry, didn't mean to step on your 90s edit 🤦
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[tantek]
RSS << feed reader
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[Al_Abut]
Oh wait, you beat me to it!!! Haha
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[Al_Abut]
I went up against the wikimaster and lost
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[tantek]
ok both observations fixed. top right after dfn and see also
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[Al_Abut]
Sung to the tune of “I shot the sheriff”
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[Al_Abut]
Lesson learned for next time: I’m going to just make the fix as a way to point out the error 🧠
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[Al_Abut]
And with that, I’m out! Apropos of nothing but I’ve loved the discussion on here lately. I think the Berlin buzz is spilling over into cyberspace…
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aaronpk
the iOS camera selection APIs are super confusing
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aaronpk
but this app is almost done
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aaronpk
I am working on my camera app that auto-uploads every photo taken to my micropub endpoint
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carrvo
Hey all, I could really use a review of implementing Protected Resource and its Metadata #17 by carrvo · Pull Request #41 · carrvo/mindie-client · GitHub https://github.com/carrvo/mindie-client/pull/41
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carrvo
aaronpk, by "all" I mostly mean you since I am pretty sure you have the most intimate knowledge of the specs and libs I am using...
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carrvo
Client ID metadata, protected resource metadata, and indieauth-client-php.
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carrvo
Oh, I hate the way my phone copies URLs these days with a title and newline.
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carrvo
Anyone bridged who might have missed the link: https://github.com/carrvo/mindie-client/pull/41
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[KevinMarks]
On the old sites as CDN topic, Internet Archive works well as a host for audio and video files. If you make them creative commons, you can upload to Internet Archive and hotlink to them from your own site.
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[tantek]
I’m not sure I’d say “works well” from a performance perspective
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[artlung]
For my Weird Web October for today, I wrote “ISO HTML” https://artlung.com/wwo/30/
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[tantek]
Best ISO HTML page ever [artlung] ++
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[artlung]
Is it the only one?
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[tantek]
Trailing Slack message with ++ doesn’t seem to work for Loqi
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[tantek]
[artlung] ++ but this works
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Loqi
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Loqi
[artlung] has 30 karma in this channel over the last year (177 in all channels)
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capjamesg
[artlung]++
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capjamesg
One note: I see this in dark mode:
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[artlung]
Oh whoa! I will fix. I thought I left dark mode support off on purpose
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[tantek]
what is ISO HTML
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ISO HTML" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ISO HTML is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[artlung]
Okay - thanks for the proofing capjamesg++
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Loqi
capjamesg has 54 karma in this channel over the last year (209 in all channels)
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rgbivvv
has anyone else here created their own SSG?
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capjamesg
rgbivvv I have!
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rgbivvv
cool! can i see the repo? :)
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[tantek]
What is an SSG
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Loqi
A static site generator or SSG is software that developers can use (typically requiring command line access) to setup a personal site that uses a set of text content files typically stored on a server, and transforms them into a set of static HTML files for a website https://indieweb.org/SSG
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[tantek]
^ do we have a summary list there of self-created/maintained SSGs?
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rgbivvv
cool! lemme check that out
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rgbivvv
oh wait you were asking
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rgbivvv
it doesn't look like there is a list
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[artlung]
I asked in the Fediverse/Mastodon in September about SSGs and there were a few answers of personal SSGs. https://xoxo.zone/@artlung/115197260482593667
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capjamesg
rgbivvv The list is the "IndieWeb Examples" on the SSG page which links to several tools maintained by community members.
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capjamesg
If you have any questions please do let me know!
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[tantek]
failxontour, taking the developer-focused chat from #indieweb here. Re: Composer, my site is built on PHP, I write a bunch of PHP, and I've never used composer myself
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[tantek]
Web sign-in = using your own domain to sign into some service. Today on the backend that's typically implemented with RelMeAuth and/or IndieAuth protocol support. Unless you're writing or setting up your own authentication backend, you should not have to worry about the details of RelMeAuth or IndieAuth protocol support.
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[tantek]
and yes for chat about RelMeAuth and IndieAuth in particular, this is the right channel for that. Ideally users should never have to see or know those terms to get their Web Sign-in to work.
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[tantek]
speaking of last time I touched these files (years ago), added "line-break:loose" to my undohtml.css and going through and removing uses of "word-break" which was the previous hack for the problem of long URLs that didn't line wrap
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capjamesg
Screenshot from my trying to view the ISO HTML standard:
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[tantek]
what is ISO HTML
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ISO HTML" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ISO HTML is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
capjamesg, you could stub that page with that screenshot 😂 (and the Wikipedia page of course)
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capjamesg
Will do!
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capjamesg
ISO HTML is a version of HTML defined in ISO 15445:2000.
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capjamesg
What is ISO HTML?
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Loqi
ISO HTML is a version of HTML defined in ISO 15445:2000 https://indieweb.org/ISO_HTML
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[tantek]
capjamesg++
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Loqi
capjamesg has 55 karma in this channel over the last year (210 in all channels)
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failxontour
has anyone incorporated anubis in a static site yet and can help me out?
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failxontour
I really like the project and glanced over the docs but can't find anywhere to reach them besides opening an issue on gh which I sorted am afraid to do rn. As yk it's a amateur qs
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failxontour
I personally don't despise the use of AI itself but see it as controversial and would not want them to use my personal data as training data. And well trying to fend them off via robots.txt is not as effective as they may say
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[artlung]
The Anubis git repo does take Issues. But if you have a question feel free to ask here in #indieweb-dev
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Loqi
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[tantek]
BridgyFed++ seems to have gotten a lot faster!