#dev 2026-09-20
2026-09-20 UTC
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[rose] My dad was asking me about passkeys. I said I didn't really like them because they get tied to devices or big tech. That the only ones I use are the ones on my Vaultwarden instance, but a lot of things won't work with passkeys on there. TBH I pressured him to sort out his 2FA situation, but didn't really see the value of passkeys...
# [rose] But yeah, I think a link to articles about why they are not a great idea would be useful. TBH I explained my objections to them a bit off the fly, and wasn't at that point really aware that this wasn't just a "me" thing and others don't like them, either. To me, the security argument feels a bit weak, since it's kinda like an SSH key anyone on the device can use. Yeah, more complex than something short and crappy, but you shouldn't be using
# [rose] My dad's best mate and my mum's best friend (they're also a married couple, the two people) were asking me about IT security etc., on a range of matters. Tbh they listened much better than my dad does! The main thing for authorisation, imho, is 2FA, but I think older people have issues figuring out authenticators and why that's better than mobile phone numbers. Passkeys, again, have the same problem... Lose your device, or switch ecosystem,
# [rose] RE: The guestbook discussion, I had been wondering about whether ntfy could be repurposed that way. If you had an open channel, people post to it, you have a script to avoid junk, and genuine posts have to include a time-based code at the start perhaps... Could work, with some built-in bot filtering.
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[capjamesg] [snarfed] Do you know why I might need a `https://web.brid.gy/r/https://jamesg.blog/` rel=me in my site <head>?
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[social] [aaronpk]++ That worked it runs through now. Thank you!
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# [snarfed] [capjamesg] yeah that's to verify the profile link to your web site in Mastodon, https://fed.brid.gy/docs#mastodon-link-verification
# [capjamesg] Ah, thank you!
# [social] I found an oddity in the subdirectory for https://vanderwal.net/random/ verification…
# [social] ☝️ this is http://webmention.io
# [social] This is something in http://webmention.io from a long while ago. Not sure if it ever worked. If all sub-directories are covered by the top level validation I can delete it.
# carrvo aaronpk++ I forgot about that MR! Hopefully it is useful for others.
# [social] I really like the GitHub style “type this in” pattern to confirm deletion.
# [social] I have some repo merge blocks on some of my personal repos that only I work on to add a little friction and not just speed run a PR and have to think about it.
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WinnerWind bit lost about h-entry and microformats. Considering my site is HTML soup, could I just duplicate all the content and then hide them, then specificially mark that up with h-entry stuff?
# WinnerWind (additionally the base template can be found here if someone is willing to give direct advice on how i could mark up my site) https://git.winnerwind.in/WinnerWind/joker-ssg/src/branch/main-blog/templates/base.html
# WinnerWind you mean without duplication, right?
# WinnerWind so one question about the use of classes here, if i mark up something with a h-entry that has another class (eg. <main class="main-content h-entry">) will that be considered as a h-entry?
# WinnerWind ah okay, then i can handle the rest. i thought the h-entry thing had to be the ONLY class
# WinnerWind i also found this https://osteophage.neocities.org/projects/guides/h-entries
# thamara_k I used this guide. It’s good.
# WinnerWind is that all the micro-formats, or is it just the most common ones?
# WinnerWind because of how my site works its real easy to modify the html template in one place and have that render everywhere
# thamara_k That’s what I’ve done as well
# thamara_k Feel free to have a look
# WinnerWind yup, found your site code (i think?)
# WinnerWind going to take a loook
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aaronpk new indieauth debug tool! https://indieauth.rocks/check
# WinnerWind \o/
# thamara_k WinnerWind feel free to email or Signal, I can send you all the relevant templates, feeds etc. rather than spam here https://thamara.co.uk/hello
# WinnerWind thamara_k: thanks for the offer! I'm looking through your repository on github with the code, and i'm understanding how to do the microformats thing
# WinnerWind i appreciate the offer though!
# thamara_k perfect
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# [social] [aaronpk] this is really good!
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# WinnerWind OK! microformats done! the parser says that it could find a HTML "content", which is good
# WinnerWind however it appears to have missed the date , which i did like this
# WinnerWind oh, i see, i thought it had to go inbetween <time>
# WinnerWind so is <time> a self closing attribute?
# WinnerWind neat! time appeared after i filled in datetime
# WinnerWind the lazybones guide had it as blank and so i thought it had to remain blank
# WinnerWind yes, i hadn't looked atht e example, my bad!
# WinnerWind seems now every microformat parser likes my site
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# WinnerWind i have been alerted to the existence of https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2. i must now use every microformat in existence /j
# tdrayson Finally added interactions on my website, it has local reactions/comments, plus webmentions and social syndication reactions/comments
# WinnerWind \o/
# WinnerWind congrats!
# WinnerWind actually i'm confused about comments/replies. i know webmentions allow for sending those, but how exactly would i use, eg. Telegraph, to send aa reply to someone?
# WinnerWind or do i not even use Telegraph to send a webmention reply, instead doing it directly?
# WinnerWind and to do it directly, i assume i need to CURL their site acepting webmentions directly
# WinnerWind but lets say i was using telegraph. i assume the next step would be to wrap my webmention reply in some microformats, then i tell telegraph to check the page for webmentions, then it sends off the webmentions, correct?
# WinnerWind problem is i can't find what microformats would be appropriate for a webmention reply ^_^``
# WinnerWind oh one last thing, for microformats, would using a hidden element for everything be appropriate?
# WinnerWind i thought it would be easier, code wise, to move all the microformats into one area and hide everything in there
# WinnerWind (well, as many microformats as i reasonably can)
# WinnerWind https://indieweb.org/reply oh this is useful, the wiki comes in clutch as usual
# WinnerWind the reply webmentions thing have always been an enigma to me
# tdrayson On my site I have the option under any entry for someone to paste their reply post to me and it will send me the webmention
# tdrayson Yeah for a reply, you just markup your "post" with the `u-in-reply-to` I believe
# WinnerWind tdrayson: that's really cool, and aaron PK has that too, but unfortunately my site is 100% static with 0 js, so i can't include something like that
# WinnerWind unless there's a pure JS free solution for that
# tdrayson I setup my site so whenever I write a note or article, i can selec the response type and it auto fetches the microformat data to attach to the entry
# tdrayson then posting auto sends the webmention to the other person
# WinnerWind oh that's real neat!
# WinnerWind my ssg is extremely pipelined so i need to define all of this in the templates itself
# WinnerWind which shouldn't be impossible
# WinnerWind i was making a webmentions microlibrary to fetch webmentions for me
# tdrayson if you are using webmention.io could you not just send the request directly to them on submit?
# tdrayson you could probaly use a form to submit directly to webmention.io if you dont want to make a fetch request using js
# IWDiscord <tdrayson>
# WinnerWind and also send them during compiletime
# WinnerWind i dont think webmention.io has an API dedicated to receieving requests
# WinnerWind i mean, i dont think webmention.io doesnt have a dedicated endpoint i can redirect to to receieve webmentions but i could be wrong
# tdrayson https://webmention.io/winnerwind.in/webmention is the endpoint....
# tdrayson it collects webmentions on your behal
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# tdrayson behalf*
# WinnerWind oh, i did not know that endpoint had a HTML page
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# tdrayson you can copy the exact html, just hide the target and hardcode to the current page url. and point it at the webmention url above
# tdrayson no js needed
# WinnerWind tdrayson: admittedly never played around with form tags. thanks!
# tdrayson super simple all browser based
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# WinnerWind for webmention replies: would it be appropriate to make a page where i write down every reply i make, which is then turned into microformat marked up HTML and then finally push that through Telegraph.p3k to be sent to everyone? or am i misunderstanding how exactly replies should work
# WinnerWind i guess making a set of pages for each reply makes more sense ^_^``
# tdrayson heres an example of a reply I made to [Trevor_Morris] earlier - https://taylordrayson.com/2026/09/20/replied-to-combine-harvester-near-aylesby
# IWDiscord <tdrayson>
# IWDiscord <tdrayson>
# tdrayson I created a "note" that was marked as a reply to his post
# tdrayson Most people will use "notes" as their form of reply. I believe each reply needs to be a unique url. since the source (your url) has to be unique.
# tdrayson they can't be merged on the same page as the person you are mentioning would have no context of what your reply is
# WinnerWind ah! that makes sense :3
# WinnerWind my site is highly organized, so i need to create a dedicated replies/ section
# tdrayson You can then just use your webmention.io-hosted page to copy the reply URL on your website and paste the link of the person that you're replying to
# IWDiscord <tdrayson>
# tdrayson Or you set it up to auto-send when you re-deploy
# WinnerWind yeah, i'm thinking of using the telegraph API to trigger webmention detection for every page
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# thamara_k tdrayson[d] interactions on the site are looking great!
# tdrayson Thanks thamara_k[d] Took almost a month to build, because of all the different integrations, I even added in Salmentions which I only just found out about three days ago
# tdrayson It started out as just adding in Webmentions, and then one thing led to another. I started adding in everything else, and the scope just got bigger and bigger
# thamara_k Haha always the way isn’t it
# thamara_k TIL about salmentions
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