#events 2025-08-28

2025-08-28 UTC
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Loqi "Homebrew Website Club - Eastern" call ended https://events.indieweb.org/2025/08/homebrew-website-club-eastern-iVtditcP8Fvr
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[artlung] Fun event everyone! Thanks for joining!
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GWG [artlung]++
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glitzeor4444 Nice to meet people as a newbie 😊 thanks for having me artlung++ for hosting 😀
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gRegor [artlung]++ for defacto hosting :)
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gRegor Glad we didn't scare you off, g​litzeor4444 :)
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[artlung] g​litzeor4444++ for a tremendous first share - great to see end to end your Obsidian setup and hear your intent and reasoning behind it
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gRegor Definitely. Got me interested in exploring a digital garden and using Obsidian more
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glitzeor4444 yay thanks! Happy to share! I love Obsidian!!!!
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Loqi woot
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capjamesg [artlung]++ Amazing FrESH!
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Loqi "Front End Study Hall #035" call ended https://events.indieweb.org/2025/08/front-end-study-hall-035-bkD9G9V4HZaz
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[artlung] SASS vs CSS nesting experiment page was here https://codepen.io/artlung/pen/PwPdRMR
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[artlung] That was a fun one!
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capjamesg GWG angelo, [benji], and gRegor: Have you made any strides in scheduling a Micropub pop up?
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[social] [artlung]++ Thank you for a wonderful FrESH
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capjamesg It sounds like there is appetite for one and tangible things to work through.
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GWG I put dates on the page that weren't in July
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capjamesg gRegor [benji] angelo ^^
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capjamesg See dates @ https://indieweb.org/pop-up#Micropub
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capjamesg [edit] See dates @ https://indieweb.org/pop-up#Micropub
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gRegor I saw GWG updated/voted, will take a look
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GWG Add more.. I just riffed when I was informed that people were waiting on m8
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gRegor Does the first discussion point "formalizing the extension process" need some work before the meeting, to make sure everyone's on board? I'm not really familiar with the "correct" process for that with specs.
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gRegor Although we could at least discuss and get some concrete ideas down in github issues for others to discuss/vote on async
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gRegor cc [schmarty] since you also listed as interested in https://indieweb.org/pop-up#Micropub
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gRegor updating dates and voting right now
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gRegor Voted! your turn, capjamesg! :)
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capjamesg [edit] See dates @ https://indieweb.org/pop-up#Micropub
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capjamesg What are subtitles?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "subtitles" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "subtitles is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Like on video?
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capjamesg Yes.
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gRegor what is caption
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "caption" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "caption is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor I thought we had a page
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gRegor caption is /transcript
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Loqi ok
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capjamesg What is transcript?
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Loqi 🖹 A transcript is typically a word-for-word text version of the audio content in audio or video posts https://indieweb.org/transcript
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[tantek] Huh that's not really what a caption is / subtitles are. Usually there's some expectation of visibility time syncing with the video
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gRegor "Transcripts are often synced and embedded into videos and shown contemporaneously with the audio track in a process known as closed captioning."
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gRegor subsections may be needed, or split off into own page if makes sense
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[tantek] Where is that quoting from? That's quite the stretch retconning of closed captioning
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gRegor The top of /transcript
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gRegor Looks like that part hasn't been updated since 2020
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[tantek] Well Wikipedia is closer to what I expected, at least in the first sentence, though it too ties closed captions as a form of "transcription" so maybe that's close enough? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_captioning
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[tantek] Still feels like a stretch to call closed captions a "transcript". More like the other way around, a transcript can be built from closed captions.
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[tantek] Transcripts have no time syncing requirement whereas closed captions do. Maybe that's not enough of a difference to warrant a separate page though?
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gRegor Not sure, I don't have strong opinions about it, just figured I'd redirect those terms to the closest we had for now
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[tantek] Yeah definitely in the good enough for now range
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[tantek] Wikipedia has no article on "transcript" in this sense (probably because nothing beyond the wiktionary entry)
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[tantek] https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/transcript has no mention of video or timing either
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[tantek] I suppose one way to approach how to differentiate is to ask what (implied usecases) would a developer be looking for if they searched for one or the other
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capjamesg I think of transcripts and captions as different.
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capjamesg I think of a transcript as a written recording of something.
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capjamesg A transcript may later be read.
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capjamesg *read in full
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capjamesg Captions are also written recordings but the intent is to be presented alongside the original material (i.e. as closed captions, as subtitles).
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[artlung] Add https://www.a11y-collective.com/glossary/audio-description/ to the pile of terminology
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capjamesg I was curious about this because I was transcribing a video to create captions.
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[tantek] There is quite a bit of difference in the "how to" variants as well, in terms of labor etc.
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[tantek] like how to publish a transcript (only) is VERY different from the work to create/publish captions (only)
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[tantek] each is which is likely quite different from if you want to provide BOTH a transcript and realtime closed captions, without violating DRY
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[artlung] I’m still in gathering info phase on my a11y and comics which I notice has bad nesting. I’ve got another presentation to watch recently from a comics coop who talked about “transcripts”
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[artlung] https://youtu.be/qxv_jskap6k?si=J9vMae69cqBuDLPV
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[tantek] agreed [artlung], "audio description" is quite different from a transcript as well. some movie theaters offer audio description headphones which very much say something quite different than what the characters are saying (which is usually what goes in a transcript)
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[artlung] It’s from a comics POV and conflates terminology somewhat which is common in these things. Everything’s “alt text” idiomatically. Even if not a lot of it is actually text in an alt attribute.
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[tantek] right `alt` vs alt(ernative) text
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[artlung] The Accessibility Initiative glossary could be a solid source.
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[artlung] Or not, it’s not got everything I wish it had. I may compile a glossary of these terms with some distinguishing usages and tags they’re most associated with,
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[artlung] Img[alt], figure figcaption, caption, and whether and how they could be used with single image, multi image, dynamic animation, video and audio elements.
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[artlung] Bestiary of alt text.