#known 2019-05-28
2019-05-28 UTC
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[davidmead] Thought for the group - Is it possible to swap the context of a Known post after creating it? Example - I post a photo to Instagram and it comes into Known as a “photo type”, but it’s of food so I want it as a “eat type”. Could you swap it over?
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[cleverdevil] It’s possible, yes. Just requires some fiddling in the database.
# [cleverdevil] That said, it’s a pain 😀
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[jgmac1106] [davidmead] that is similar to the experience with micropub clients...any time you add a photo regardless of the post type selected it will get published as a photo post
# [jgmac1106] ....the photo post also leave much to be desired in terms of accessibility so I try to avoid them when I can
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# [davidmead] [cleverdevil] That’s what I was assuming 🙂
# [davidmead] [jgmac1106] [tantek] The more I noodle around the edges the more I feel that the microformat applied to the content needs to be swappable. Having it tied as a decision of the creating/posting action is a stricture the (I feel) we inherit from the very silos we attempt to distance ourselves from…
# [davidmead] A tweet is a tweet because it’s a piece of content placed into Twitter. No regard to it being a link, picture, of embedded video. Same, I assume, with the current state of Facebook posts
# [jgmac1106] [tantek] on a photo post the title becomes the alt text but the title is also the thing that synditcates so you wouldn't write as an alt text,
# [jgmac1106] documented on the accessibility or alt text page open issue filed and in the orad map
# [jgmac1106] will do , let me track it down and will link it
# [davidmead] [tantek] Well adding/removing properties is, in essence, swapping the type wouldn’t you say?
# [jgmac1106] I should take a stab at adding the form field and I think once the tinyMCE gets upgraded to somethign that works on mobile the alt text field will come along
# [jgmac1106] [davidmead] the food post types just changed
# [jgmac1106] [cleverdevil] just accepted the PR you should update, it was using something that did not exist h-food
# [jgmac1106] it is now an h-entry and I added a p-category for eat, drink etc, you could add in a drop down menu like you did to listen
# [davidmead] I think we’re kinda agreeing [tantek] 🙂 As a user, if I “swap” the post type I’m having the system add/remove attributes to suit. Certainly a UI issue than a mf issue.
# [davidmead] [jgmac1106] until I can get a Known build without running something (is it composer?) on the server, I’m not updating anything from GitHub
# [jgmac1106] no worries, you just did a great job working on the Listen post type with me thought you could do it....been playing with Kirby a bunch as I learn PHP you may want to check it out...though if Known's current install isn't something for you Kirby maybe the same
# [jgmac1106] do you not have ssh access on your shared host? Reclaim comes with terminal access in cPanel...don't even really have to worry about it
# [jgmac1106] I need to try Quill with Known, when you use indigenous any time you add a photo it gets published as a photo post regardless of the post type you selected
# [davidmead] I do have SSH access, but I personally find it a pain and not something I want do
# [jgmac1106] ohh yes..as someone who maintains dozens of Known sites I dread each release now
# [davidmead] I have used Quill & Indigenous to post to my Known blog. I was thinking more of the “automated” items like Instagram [tantek] where I may want to change the context post creation.
# [jgmac1106] it gets better but so time consuming.....just marcus and Ben and Phil plugin away on their free time so I understand
# [jgmac1106] have you tried teacup or do all your food post go on instagram anyways
# [jgmac1106] ...oooh that does remind me I do want to wrap your listen dropdowns with a p-category though Known uses buoth p-category and rel="tag" but always afraid as Known autoconverts hashtags..meant to experiment if a hashtag in plain text in a template gets converted to p-category automaticallt
# [davidmead] Well Instagram/Known haven’t worked properly for me in ages, so I’m juggling between posting on Known using the Food/Drink plugin and manually re-posting the Instagram when I have time
# [jgmac1106] Have you tried teacup?
# [davidmead] Teacuo never worked properly for me iether
# [davidmead] That is one thing I’ve floated a couple of times. Hashtags with Known need to be cleaned up and be implements the same across all posts
# [davidmead] can’t edit ones pulled in through Instagram or OwnYourSwarm and they display differently if you manually add them in the content
# [jgmac1106] agree almost every post type is just a p-category...but the OWG array problem on Known is something I haven't solved, should those link back to Instagram or places on your site where you used that same hashtag?
# [jgmac1106] actually like the converting of hashtags so I don't have to type it all out, and generating the rss or json feed for each is super nice
# [davidmead] I love using hashtags to imply collections of things, but that does mess up a lot
# [jgmac1106] [davidmead] I think in general some micropub clients do not mesh well with the html sanitizing and autolinking built into Known
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# [davidmead] This dovetails into what I mentioned about the stricture of following the silos - If I post on my site would I ever want everything tagged with “eat” to return Instagram posts instead of my own?
# [jgmac1106] on OWG, yes, in Known it works perfect. that is what I did to the Food post type, I made it an h-entry and food became a p-category
# [jgmac1106] I wonder how other people handle syndicated hashtags from OWG, do they just get published in plain text? link to their own site, back to instagram?
# [jgmac1106] I don't instagram so not person to ask, though clients I set up on Known do and seeing "array" is bad
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# [davidmead] ok. thx [tantek] [jgmac1106] , good conversations - back to my hermitage 🙂
# [jgmac1106] actually teacup doesn't even recognize my micropub endpoint
# [jgmac1106] ...me too...taken a half day to...well...write templates in Kirby...get a few days off before next semester trying to IndieWeb cram before summit
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[tantek] Speaking of Summit, [davidmead] [jgmac1106] would be great to have you both! Sign-up! https://2019.indieweb.org/summit
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