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sensiblemn mapkyca: i want to set up a few Known instances for a few non-profits I'm affiliated with. do you host known instances or have a suggestion on who to use? i'd probably be preferable for us to not have to do the back end stuff in house.
# sensiblemn it looks like reclaim no longer has one click installations https://community.reclaimhosting.com/t/hello-new-here-known/2334
# sensiblemn i wonder if reclaim could do one click installs again if they knew about https://withknown.marcus-povey.co.uk/
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plindner[m] I had to do the schema migration by hand when I updated to head. Not sure if that's WAI or not.
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# sensiblemn what do you guys think makes Known better than https://indieweb.org/WriteFreely or https://indieweb.org/Plume ?
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# sensiblemn aaronpk: thanks for the response. i assume video support is a feature as well.
# sensiblemn aaronpk: agreed. i've heard of that as well.
# sensiblemn does Known utilize ActivityPub? or is something like micro.blog needed to add that functionality?
# sensiblemn looks like bridgy fed is an option based on this github issue https://github.com/idno/known/issues/1701
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mapkyca_ !tell sensiblemn No, I don't run a hosted service. Some people mentioned this was something that they'd like, but last time I ran the numbers it wasn't something I could afford. I'll have a look to see if that's something that's changed. I think the hosting companies lost interest due to the forever 0.9.9. Hopefully that'll change soon post 1.0
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[xavierroy] [mapkyca] is the vendor directory a must upload for Known to work? It comes to almost 60MB
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[jgmac1106] video support is iffy
# [jgmac1106] I don't touch the backend but let my shared host do it. They have 0.92 installable with Installatron and then I update. We set up (are setting up a network in Ghana built on Known)
# [jgmac1106] yeah been trying to just use archive.org and the video html tag
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# [jgmac1106] I actually have trouble with the video tag as seen here: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/07/02/edu407sum19-kickoff-video
# [jgmac1106] ttried with and without the plugin to enable html5 video tags, but yeah iframe from archive.org works fine
# [jgmac1106] excited for video and p2p as I could never afford to host my own indieweb style
# mapkyca_ Video tag depends on on browser codec support, which varies depending on os and browser configuration, hence the transcoding - you need to scattergun the codecs so that you have a version that'll play in each environment. Made harder by the fact that codec support for e.g. x264 has been removed from some linux builds due to licensing issues so you have compile yourself from source.
# jgmac1106[m] Iframe it is archive.org embeds work fine
# jgmac1106[m] Thx for letting me know
# jgmac1106[m] Yeah same with ownyourgram
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# sensiblemn jgmac1106: you mentioned p2p video. have you ever checked out PeerTube? https://joinpeertube.org/en/
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Loqi sensiblemn: mapkyca_ left you a message 6 hours, 38 minutes ago: No, I don't run a hosted service. Some people mentioned this was something that they'd like, but last time I ran the numbers it wasn't something I could afford. I'll have a look to see if that's something that's changed. I think the hosting companies lost interest due to the forever 0.9.9. Hopefully that'll change soon post 1.0
# sensiblemn mapkyca_: thanks for the response. when is 1.0 expected?
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# [jgmac1106] that's okay we need the time to figure out who is going to update their plugins for Composer
# [jgmac1106] and for people like me to figure out what you need to do to update a plugin so it can be installed using Composer
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# [xavierroy] is there a way to edit dates in Known? I just installed Known and trying to figure it out
# [jgmac1106] no not easily
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# [xavierroy] 😞 I was hoping that would be an easy task
# [jgmac1106] no not until we keep convincing [cleverdevil] micropub migration should be a thing..well that part he knows...NEEDS to be a thing...then export and import be good all around the community
# [jgmac1106] if you know PHP people would love, love, love a plugin for a date and time publish change
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[cleverdevil] You can publish things with back-posted dates via Micropub in Known today. Works great!
# [jgmac1106] ohh really perfect...my migration may begin then
# [cleverdevil] Adding date editing to the Known UI wouldn't be all that hard, honestly.
# [xavierroy] I thought Known had that by default
# [cleverdevil] I'd suggest opening a ticket to suggest the feature request!
# [cleverdevil] Not in the UI.
# [jgmac1106] there is an open issue one sec
# [cleverdevil] I'd suggest adding your +1 to it.
# [cleverdevil] I am hoping that we can do a community road mapping session with [mapkyca] and [benatwork] soon.
# [jgmac1106] yeah be neat
# [xavierroy] maybe more themes 🙂
# [xavierroy] I just tried a post in Teacup with a past date. It is not showing up
# [cleverdevil] Yeah, the Micropub implementation in Known needs some love. Things work great for common post types like notes, posts, checkins, etc. But, for something very esoteric like what Teacup creates, there are definitely issues.
# [cleverdevil] I just added a comment on #411, [xavierroy], and if I can get some guidance, I'll take a crack at fixing this issue. I agree its a pretty glaring omission at this point.
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# sensiblemn i use Tor, so it is hard for me to edit on wikipedia, but I feel like Known and Webmention + h-entry should be added here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
# sensiblemn mapkyca_: what will the new known.co site be like?
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# jgmac1106[m] IMO h-entry while used by sites in Fediverse isn't really required. If anything I would start an article on h-entry and add a link under See Also
# sensiblemn jgmac1106: what about webmentions?
# sensiblemn i was referring to the chart here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse#Fediverse_software_platforms
# jgmac1106[m] That is a W3C spec...not necessary for Fediverse... Ohh that table I could see Known being added with the Mastodon plugin and Bridgy Fed
# sensiblemn jgmac1106: do you consider Known to be part of the Fediverse without Mastodon or Bridgy Fed plugins? Is the "Indieverse" different than the "fediverse"?
# jgmac1106[m] I try not to define things, just isn't my bag
# sensiblemn right on
# jgmac1106[m] For me Known is a CMS I blog with.
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