#meta 2017-07-12

2017-07-12 UTC
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www.boffosocko.com edited /2015/WordPress (+23) "Category:WordPress" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-07-12-homebrew-website-club (+106) "/* San Francisco */ link indie & FB events, add self" (view diff)
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Zegnat Wondering if it makes sense to say https://indieweb.org/events/2017-07-12-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_Americas is from 25:30 to 27:30 UTC.
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Zegnat For online events I very much prefer normalised UTC time, but the UTC time is on the 13th :/
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sebsel You can do "(1:30 to 3:30 UTC [+1 day])"
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sebsel That's what they do on train / plane tickets, I believe.
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[chrisaldrich] Zegnat, I thought about doing that, but very few American's can easily translate it easily (or know how) and I was worried no one would show up. ?
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sebsel [chrisaldrich] I think Zegnat was talking about adding it, not replacing the American times with it ;)
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Zegnat Yeah, just adding, like how PDT has been added to the EU one
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calumryan.com edited /2017/Berlin/Guest_List (+267) "/* Participants */ Attending Berlin IWC 2017" (view diff)
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jjuran I’m seeing an insecurity badge for <https://indieweb.org/wikifying>, due to a couple user thumbnails linked via HTTP.
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jjuran What’s the best path to getting those upgraded to HTTPS?
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Zegnat I don’t think there is any, other than keep asking people to upgrade to HTTPS.
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Zegnat And then there might be reasons people aren’t upgraded. E.g. I can’t on my current host.
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jjuran I checked one of them, and the corresponding HTTPS link works.
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jjuran But I don’t feel comfortable making the change to someone else’s user page.
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Zegnat Ah, that’s a more interesting question then: what if the same image is already accessible over HTTPS.
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jjuran Yeah, it’s just a matter of whether it’s culturally acceptable.
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jjuran What is a sparkline?
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Loqi A sparkline is a small, simple, data-dense graphic with typographic resolution that is shown inline and in-context with relevant text https://indieweb.org/sparkline
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jjuran.org edited /events/2017-07-12-homebrew-website-club (+24) "/* Baltimore MD */ RSVP yes (remotely)" (view diff)
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Zegnat Baltimore supports remotely participating?
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jjuran It did a month ago, so yes :-)
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jjuran GWG: Your sparkline gets a 404 :-(
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jjuran What happens if Template:loop contains {{loop}}?
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petermolnar do we have mirrors of indieweb.org?
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sl007 !tell sebsel I saw your train connection. You might pass the NL border at the place from where I will go by car. Maybe you missed that because I wrote it to Zegnat initially. Wouldn't it be clever to join the car somewhere between Emmerich and Duisburg ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Are there any useful train connections to get there? Last time I needed to be in that area it told me to take a night train to Emmerich IIRC :/
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sknebel petermolnar: I have a nightly mirror of the current content (mediawiki markup and images), but as far as I know there is no web-mirror
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sknebel (and I probably should have my snapshot keep more history than it does now, now that I think of it)
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sknebel What is wiki backup?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/wiki/backup
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petermolnar thanks sknebel
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petermolnar on /Getting_Started - why is rel-me and web sign-in displayed earlier than publish content, or to posse?
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sebastianlasse.de edited /2017/Dortmund (+30) "/* Organizers */" (view diff)
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sl007 Zegnat - no there are not. That's what I meant, we need to go either "via" Venlo or Emmerich :) At least better than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkMwAhft1GI . !tell sebsel We need to know how many people camp and how many sleep elsewhere …
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schmarty Baltimore HWC can do virtual, but so far we have only set it up when someone asks.
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Zegnat petermolnar, probably because rel-me is the easiest enhancement you can do on an existing site. And as soon as you have done that, you can start logging in to the wiki and tools like Telegraph. Good discussion for the main channel though.
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Zegnat schmarty, that's cool! Wonder if that's worth including on the event. Or did I read over it?
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sebastianlasse.de edited /2017/Dortmund (+202) "/* Schedule */" (view diff)
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tantek hey did we discuss putting battleforthenet.com on indieweb.org ?
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tantek I realize we should have discussed this earlier, and I think someone even brought it up? sknebel ?
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tantek thoughts?
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tantek I need to put it on my site
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Zegnat KevinMarks brought it up
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Zegnat I have it on my site
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Zegnat I also created /Net_Neutrality today
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tantek hmm - that should be lowercase right? since it's a general concept rather than a specific named entity?
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tantek what is net neutrality?
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Loqi Net Neutrality is the idea that all data moving over the internet is treated the same, no matter between who it travels https://indieweb.org/Net_Neutrality
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tantek yeah, idea = general
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tantek but the event today is a specific thing / entity
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Zegnat Yes, I linked the event only on my specific “IndieWeb Example” on that page
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sebsel hm, I believe I just missed sl007.
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Loqi sebsel: sl007 left you a message 3 hours, 50 minutes ago: I saw your train connection. You might pass the NL border at the place from where I will go by car. Maybe you missed that because I wrote it to Zegnat initially. Wouldn't it be clever to join the car somewhere between Emmerich and Duisburg ?
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tantek what is Battle for the Net
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Battle for the Net" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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petermolnar I'm guessing it has nothing to do with battle.net
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tantek Battle for the Net is https://www.battleforthenet.com/ a advocacy site that supports [[net neutrality]] and organized a [https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/ campaign for 2017-07-12].
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Loqi ok
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tantek hey Kaja bot do your thing :)
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tantek net neutrality << Battle for the Net
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Battle for the Net]]" to the "See Also" section of /net_neutrality
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sebsel !tell sl007 I have a train ticket all the way now, so it's probably easier to just take that? It was not very expensive, so that's fine. Is there actually a camping with sleeping in tents and stuff? :o
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek I was documenting these one day campaign things somewhere
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tantek what is a banner
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "banner" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a one day banner
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Loqi one day banner is a feature on some sites where they show a banner at or near the top of the page as a call to action for something for that day in particular, like a protest or an election https://indieweb.org/one_day_banner
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Zegnat ah, that describes what I am doing really well http://vanderven.se/martijn/
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven
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tantek Zegnat: add your example there instead
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Zegnat Has been done, tantek
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tantek great!
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tantek is now adding his one day banner for it too
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tantek without js
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jjuran :-)
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jjuran tantek: Your sparkline (using a Twitter profile image) doesn’t display.
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jjuran See https://indieweb.org/wikify under “Write down your itches”.
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aaronpk i see it
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Zegnat tantek, mine is without JS too. I am doing just the banner
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jjuran Bah. Shows in Chrome, not Firefox+NoScript.
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sknebel jjuran: do you maybe block twitter stuff on other sites?
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jjuran Oh, Privacy Badger is blocking twimg.com.
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jjuran It also blocked i.creativecommongs.org. :-P
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jjuran Ah, that’s Chris Aldrich.
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jjuran Now I’m only missing David Shanske from that list.
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Zegnat I never truly understood Privacy Badger. Atleast with uBlock I know exactly what I am blocking
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tantek I've turned off uBlock - it was ironically slowing EVERYTHING down A LOT
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tantek something's definitely wrong with uBlock's methods and I don't have time to track them down
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jjuran uBlock, or uBlock Origin?
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tantek I get far fewer spinny rainbow death wheels
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Zegnat jjuran, origin
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tantek does anyone remember if we've ever done a one page banner on indieweb.org (or indiewebcamp.com before that) ?
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tantek like for any reason
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tantek (I vaguely remember banners for upcoming IndieWebCamps, but that might have been pre-2016 mediawiki/theme update)
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aaronpk yeah i think it was only for the next indiewebcamp
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tantek should we do one for Battle for the Net? I would be in favor
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tantek I just deployed one on tantek.com that is zero JS, zero images, re-uses the text / colors from one of the "banner" ad options on their site
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[chrisaldrich] +1 for a banner
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aaronpk i'd be up for it. i'd prefer to just drop their js script tag in it, way less work
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tantek aaronpk I'm ok with that
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tantek lesswork++
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Loqi lesswork has 1 karma
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Zegnat Is there one for just the banner? Or is it always with the whole modal in stuff. Not sure IndieWeb.org should add all the other fancies
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aaronpk check it out, just added
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aaronpk the modal is fine cause as soon as you dismiss it it stays gone
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petermolnar out of curiosity, had anyone tried https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RetroShare ?
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Loqi RetroShare
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tantek I see the scrip tis live
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schmarty petermolnar: i installed an ran retroshare for a bit. at the time the OS X version had some issues with joining the "main" community that I found, so i kind of gave up, having no one in my social network to connect using it.
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petermolnar I have a feeling it's like the tor sites; you'd expect interesting topics, like phone phreaking used to be, instead it's tinfoil hat people and actual black market only
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schmarty if i understand its design, i think it is built so that you can use it to communicate only with people you want. a kind of bring-your-own-community problem.
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schmarty i imagine you are correct about the people that call themselves the "retroshare community"
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Zegnat petermolnar, now I remember why I wanted to try something else: appear.in had the same problem as talky last time where Lukas and I could not connect to eachother.
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petermolnar huh
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-07-12-homebrew-website-club (+300) "/* Bellingham WA */ Cancelled this week, left event links for archives" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn uploaded /File:2017-193-hwc-virtual-eu.jpg "Screenshot taken of the Virtual Homebrew Website Club on 2017-07-12.From upper left corner going clockwise: {{martijnvdven}}, {{petermolnar}}, {{t}}.Missing: {{jeremycherfas}} and {{sl007}} who were in during the first hour and left before the photo was taken. https://indieweb.org/File:2017-193-hwc-virtual-eu.jpg"
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2017-07-12-homebrew-website-club (+118) "/* Photos */ Virtual HWC" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-07-11-homebrew-website-club (+21) "/* Photos */ Put original link under photo; photo wasn't loading with wrapped link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-07-11-homebrew-website-club (+15) "/* Photos */ update with named params" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-07-12-homebrew-website-club (+15) "/* Photos */ update with named params" (view diff)
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/Template:photosrcalt has url= and alt= params now which is the recommended usage. It's backwards compatible so the existing uses of it still work.
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sknebel nice
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sknebel how do we deal with regular HWCs that miss a date - include on page and explicitly call out "back on..." (and of course don't have an h-card, so they are not in the newsletter?), or leave out?
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Zegnat Depends on what the organiser wants.
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sknebel ok, then I want "back on...", and will do so ;)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-07-12-homebrew-website-club (+13) "/* Virtual Americas */ rsvp" (view diff)
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Zegnat Do they know it is not going to happen and don’t want to guarantee next week: remove.
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Zegnat Do they know it is not going to happen and guarantee next week: point to next week event page.
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Zegnat Did they have to cancel after the previous week’s newsletter: put cancelled on the page, do not remove.
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Zegnat Something like that, I think?
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sknebel sounds good
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