#meta 2017-12-01

2017-12-01 UTC
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aaronpk 👍 ü ø ß 👨‍👩‍👦‍👦
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aaronpk yay no encoding issues
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aaronpk the IRC logs are now super easy to back up as well. just a folder of text files
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aaronpk i'm thinking about auto-committing them to git every few hours
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-12-13-homebrew-website-club (+98) "/* Virtual Americas */ +me" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Austin/Guest_List (+495) "/* Remote Participants */ +me" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Austin (+3) "fix duplicate p-name, tweak p-summary" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Austin (+73) "+this url, u-uid" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk++ for maintenance of chat.indieweb.org
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Loqi aaronpk has 19 karma in this channel (1485 overall)
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Zegnat aaronpk did chatlog permalinks change? E.g. the example link in https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/issues/28 no longer resolves.
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Loqi [Zegnat] #28 /* will link to indieweb.org.
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aaronpk That's odd, that shouldn't have changed
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Zegnat It is now at https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2016-09-29/1475173557212800
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Loqi [gregorlove.com] edited /Let's_Encrypt (+172) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ subheadings, +me"
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Zegnat So that is ... 3800 seconds later than the original https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2016-09-29/1475173557209000 link?
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Zegnat Basically it got moved by an hour.
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sebsel Sounds timezoney, as Zegnat is in UTC+1 right now.
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Zegnat But permalinks aren’t timezone dependent. You can go to the permalink of a chat line and switch timezones all you want.
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sebsel I don't think that number is in seconds, actually, so it moved by a fraction of a second.
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Zegnat Oh, thought it was unix. But now that you say that it is a tad long to be unix.
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Zegnat But a fraction of a second change makes no sense :/
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sebsel 1475173557209000 is equivalent to: 02/09/46748359 @ 6:03am (UTC)
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sebsel :P
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Zegnat Logged the permalink change as an actual issue now, so it can be tracked.
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Zegnat Still, stellar work on the logs, aaronpk!
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aaronpk ah I know what happened
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aaronpk those timestamps are microseconds, so divide by 1000000 to get the unix timestamp
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aaronpk everything after june 11 2016 was logged by both the file logs and the database, so I only imported the DB logs from before that. but that means the timestamps between the two logs differ by a fraction of a second
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aaronpk so I guess i'll delete all the filesystem logs and re-import from the database :/
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Zegnat Hmm, but the DB logs had unicode problems that the filesystem didn’t have, right?
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aaronpk yes although I think something fixed those problems around that same time
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aaronpk also I have a little cleanup script to un-break most of the encoding issues
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aaronpk ooookay
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aaronpk I think I fixed it
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sebsel yaay! And now it serves it at both :P
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aaronpk no those are just cached in your browser :)
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sebsel Oh, yeah, I see
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sebsel aaronpk++ for fixing the logs
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Loqi aaronpk has 20 karma in this channel (1486 overall)
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aaronpk now for the realtime timezone issue
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aaronpk don't mind me, just testing
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aaronpk .
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aaronpk I always forget how good the browser DOM APIs have gotten
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aaronpk yay it works
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Loqi 😄
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aaronpk refresh and the realtime logs now show the local timestamps!
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aaronpk re https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-12-01/1512137378873200
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Loqi [cweiske] loqi does not react to DMs
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aaronpk that's not entirely true
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aaronpk it's just that most of Loqi's hooks are configured on the indieweb channels, since it doesn't make sense for Loqi to respond to certain things in other freenode channels
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aaronpk for things like "who is", those are scoped to the indieweb channels to then use the indieweb lookup
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aaronpk from a DM, there's no way to know which context it's from
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aaronpk oof the last step before I can shut down https://indieweb.org/irc/today is moving that "join the chat" button to the new interface
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aaronpk alright i'm gonna tackle moving the "join the chat" interface to chat.indieweb.org
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aaronpk i'm sick of that not being done
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aaronpk turns out I already did most of the work \o/
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aaronpk pastme++
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Loqi pastme has 1 karma
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tantek how's the newsletter looking for today?
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tantek what is the newsletter
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/newsletter
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tantek any photos from HWC Berlin this week?
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events (+596) "hwc berlin 12-14" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Events (-15) "archive november" (view diff)
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sknebel tantek: no, apparently was only sebastian and flo
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aaronpk_web hello?
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aaronpk_web oh dear
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sknebel aaronpk_web: hi
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sknebel ?
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sknebel lagging?
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aaronpk_web no just the chat box covered the last line :)
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aaronpk_web much better
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aaronpk_web 🎉
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tantek \o/
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sebsel :D
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aaronpk *now* I can shut down indieweb.org/irc
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aaronpk_web does this work?
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tantek no
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aaronpk wat it looks right in the logs lol
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aaronpk that works
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tantek interesting
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aaronpk I can never remember the IRC command for /me
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aaronpk_ waves
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aaronpk_ \o/
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gRegorLove waves
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aaronpk_ well awesome
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aaronpk waves to eddie_web
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eddie_web oops! I was in the IndieWeb channel. haha
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Loqi hehe
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eddie_web Sweet, this is pretty nice.
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[eddie] Testing for lag from slack to the web chat page
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[eddie] a little but not bad 🙂 Is that lag there for IRC -> web or is that slack lag I wonder?
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eddie_web Oh, it wasn't there that time. Must have been slack
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aaronpk the first message is always delayed while the IRC user connects
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[eddie] aaronpk++ Nice web interface
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Loqi aaronpk has 21 karma in this channel (1487 overall)
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sebsel hey Aaronpk
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aaronpk aand all indieweb.org/irc links now redirect!
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sebsel the whole indieweb site redirects to chat
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aaronpk o.O
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aaronpk sure does
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aaronpk fixed
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sebsel but indeed, indieweb.org/irc redirects to chat ;)
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sebsel haha, nice
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aaronpk anyone want to help back up the IRC logs? https://github.com/indieweb/indieweb-chat-archive
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Loqi [indieweb] indieweb-chat-archive: Full archive of IndieWeb chat log data files
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[eddie] Is that just downloading the repo periodically?
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sknebel guess I can add it to the wiki-mirror cron
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aaronpk I want to turn the wiki into a git repo too eventually
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sknebel you could start by committing the export that's available through rsync after it's generated
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aaronpk I thought about that
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aaronpk It'd be awesome if each wiki edit was a git commit tho
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sknebel there is a git remote for mediawiki
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sknebel that does exactly that
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aaronpk Yeah I want to try that
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sknebel but I have no idea if it can cope with the size of our wiki, last time I looked into it it did seem to have some issues
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aaronpk I think I tried it a while ago and there was something missing
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aaronpk Images maybe? Or maybe it stored the files in a way that I didn't like
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aaronpk Yeah I should probably just start by committing the files in that rsync folder
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GWG So... Austin
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tantek reloads https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-12-01.html
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tantek aaronpk, not sure if you have time before final newsletter regen, but this shouldn't be too hard: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieNews/issues/35
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Loqi [tantek] #35 drop utm_*= params from anything submitted
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tantek (since now we have a real world example of it in the newsletter)
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aaronpk hmm I think I have a function for that already
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tantek what is utm
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "utm" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is utm_
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "utm_" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek hmm I thought we had page about these already
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k-utils/blob/master/src/url.php#L29
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aaronpk except this is tricky because those are also in the "name" of that post
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tantek utm_ is a commonly used prefix for URL query parameters used for tracking (like utm_medium utm_source utm_campaign) by various media and content publishing sites; it is considered good [[URL design]] to automatically drop them when publishing, sharing, or just linking to a URL that has them.
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Loqi ok
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tantek utm is /utm_
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is utm_medium
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "utm_medium" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is utm_source
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "utm_source" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek utm_source is /utm_
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Loqi ok
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tantek utm_medium is /utm_
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is utm_campaign
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "utm_campaign" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek utm_campaign is /utm_
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk I removed them manually from indienews
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tantek ok
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tantek utm_ << https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k-utils/blob/master/src/url.php#L29 - open source PHP function to strip tracking params from a URL
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k-utils/blob/master/src/url.php#L29 - open source PHP function to strip tracking params from a URL" to the "See Also" section of /utm
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tantek utm_ << URL design
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Loqi ok, I added "[[URL design]]" to the "See Also" section of /utm
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[eddie] aaronpk: a nice little IWC icon for the chat page would be awesome!
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aaronpk oh huh I thought I had that
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aaronpk [eddie]: fixed!
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aaronpk these commits are pretty neat https://github.com/indieweb/indieweb-chat-archive/commit/471872f2a5d02b9cf0cd14fc7627073748704070
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Zegnat How often are you committing aaronpk?
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aaronpk 15 minutes
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Zegnat Will be interesting to see how often which files get touched in commits then. Or if it ever skips a commit entirely.
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aaronpk there I added a little readme
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www.funwhilelost.com edited /events/2017-12-13-homebrew-website-club (+474) "/* US West */" (view diff)