#meta 2018-03-23

2018-03-23 UTC
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2018-03-21-hwc-sf.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2018-03-21-hwc-sf.jpg"
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2018-03-21-homebrew-website-club (+162) "/* Photos */ add SF photo" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk++ wow great photo!
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Loqi aaronpk has 51 karma in this channel (1595 overall)
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tantek hmm, newsletter needs April HWC events!
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tantek.com edited /Events (+3424) "HWC Apr, May, Jun 2018, move most of March to past, add last HWC Bmore in March" (view diff)
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tantek well that's a start
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tantek !rt https://twitter.com/malcolmblaney/status/977046405217902593
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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tantek !rt https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/976965497429352450
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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[eddie] !rt https://twitter.com/malcolmblaney/status/977046405217902593
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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[eddie] !rt https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/976965497429352450
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Loqi Thanks [eddie] and tantek! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/977075589252227073
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gRegorLove What is redirect?
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Loqi A redirect is a way to automatically make one page on this wiki load another page https://indieweb.org/redirect
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tantek that's worth expanding
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gRegorLove What is jargon?
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Loqi jargon is a specific unobvious word, concept, or technology (like Webmention), or re-use of a word to mean something other than its common meaning (like feed), or sometimes re-using a word as an acronym (like POSSE) https://indieweb.org/jargon
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gRegorLove How about "a redirect is a way to indicate that one URL / silo profile is no longer used and where the person can be found currently." with Why and How To section stubs?
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tantek yeah something more general
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tantek at least three uses AFAIK
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tantek redirect: Wiki #redirect (current dfn), 301/302, silo->indie quit post redirecting
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sebsel With the risk of "plz don'ts": how about reviewing the Slack-channels in next leaders summit (is there any this year?) It might be an idea to add a #getting-started channel to the Slack, in which we explicitly say that there are no dumb questions?
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sebsel It's hard to keep #indieweb 'clean' of jargon, but such a place would be easier to maintain jargon-free.
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tantek modest proposal: Category:jargon
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tantek Loqi caches the list of terms that are jargon
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tantek when Loqi sees you use jargon in #indieweb (perhaps with some threshold, like 2+ jargon terms in a statement, or 2+ statements in a row with any jargon), Loqi nudges you to move your conversation to #indieweb-dev
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aaronpk Ooh
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aaronpk i can do that
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aaronpk I like it
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aaronpk esp with the threshold
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tantek right, so snarfed would have triggered it with ssl cert (two words)
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tantek what is ssl
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Loqi HTTPS is an abbreviation for Hypertext Transfer Protocol Secure, a form of HTTP where the communication is encrypted https://indieweb.org/ssl
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tantek hmm
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tantek this might force us to un-redirect some pages to mark them as jargon
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tantek without marking e.g. HTTPS as jargon
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tantek what is a cert
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cert" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "cert is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is a certificate
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "certificate" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "certificate is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek uhh
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[eddie] That seems like a really cool idea!
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[eddie] It always feels odd to be “that guy” that asks people to redirect convos, but it’s not a big deal to be on the receiving end of that request
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[eddie] So if we make Loqi “that thing” that pushes conversations, makes it smoother 🙂
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[eddie] or at least more consistent
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tantek teaching Loqi how to be bossy
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tantek we could even vary the phrasing
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tantek "Actually, anything regarding jargon like ssl and cert is better discussed in #indieweb-dev"
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tantek "Interesting. Though perhaps better to follow-up regarding jargon like ssl and cert in #indieweb-dev?"
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sebsel tantek++ yeah!
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Loqi tantek has 9 karma in this channel (426 overall)
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tantek "Loqi nudges snarfed in the direction of #indieweb-dev for anything ssl or cert related"
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gRegorLove Heh, please no "actually" :)
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gRegorLove +1 on the general idea though!
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tantek gRegorLove: how about only if the statement it is responding to started with "Actually, "
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gRegorLove Ha!
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gRegorLove That'd be funny
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tantek hey did Loqi get updated to be consistent about newsletter at 15:00 Friday Pacific time (independently of DST) ?
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tantek or is it too late?
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aaronpk I think so
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aaronpk Well I updated it for now but it will switch back in November
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tantek so do we have ~50 min then to keep editing?
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tantek sebsel re: Slack [#getting-started], do you mean Slack-only?
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tantek and logged or unlogged?
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tantek ok let's start on this jargon thing
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sebsel Well definitely more aimed at Slack, I suppose, but it's neat to bridge it anyway.
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sebsel Not sure about logging.
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sebsel I think IRC attracts more people who are into the jargon.
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tantek yeah
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aaronpk If it's not bridged then I wouldn't ever see what's going on there :-P
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[eddie] I think logging would be useful primarily as we would be able to search and see how often certain topics come up and/or be able to easily reference the fact that people asked questions when trying to move certain aspects of the IndieWeb forward towards Gen 3 & 4
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tantek aaronpk you could subscribe to the WebSub h-feed of the #getting-started logs
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tantek in your nifty reader setup :)
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tantek [eddie] agreed
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aaronpk In order to make the h-feed I need it to be bridged to IRC so that Loqi picks up the messages :-)
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aaronpk I do have big dreams of making an h-feed that is a digest of the logs tho
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aaronpk I was thinking if nobody has said anything for a "while" then it could post the last chunk of logs as a new h-entry
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[eddie] Hmmm, that’s interesting. So each h-entry would be a chunk of conversation all within a given time period
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[eddie] And it would all relatively be on the same “topic” because it would be bordered by silence
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aaronpk That's the idea!
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[eddie] Thats cool
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aaronpk Should be good enough to catch up on things
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sebsel Oh, especially that.
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aaronpk Also doesn't have to be perfect
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[eddie] Yeah, that’s interesting because with chat.indieweb.org I always have to figure out where I left off
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tantek what is a conversation
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "conversation" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "conversation is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek oops too many open threads, must close some
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tantek !tell gRegorlove re: mentioning musicians depending on FB, I found this classic looking indie musician DJ site which I really liked for its simplicity http://www.davepearce.co.uk/ and used as an excuse to create a whole page for the subject: https://indieweb.org/musician - feel free to expand with more examples
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek note: if you're a web dev agency, perhaps make sure your home page isn't just an Apache start page: http://www.neutroncore.com/ linked to from the aforementioned davepearce musician site
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tantek what is Testing 123..
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Testing 123.." yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Testing 123.. is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek Testing 123.. is the default top level heading (h1) of a new Apache HTTP server installation and indicates that the site-owner has setup Apache but has not configured it to serve any specific content yet. Example: http://www.neutroncore.com/ (as of 2018-03-23)
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Nifty javascript thing Barnaby has that converts musical notes in text to a musical staff: https://waterpigs.co.uk/music/
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 49 minutes ago: re: mentioning musicians depending on FB, I found this classic looking indie musician DJ site which I really liked for its simplicity http://www.davepearce.co.uk/ and used as an excuse to create a whole page for the subject: https://indieweb.org/musician - feel free to expand with more examples
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