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[pfefferle] [aaronpk] nice 😍
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# schmarty1 woah, an indieweb 1password group is neat!
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jeremycherfas Here's a little something for all the parsing people out there. https://jeffreykegler.github.io/personal/timeline_v3
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jeremycherfas.net created /Template:pstuifzand (+162) "Created this from /microsub; if it is wrong, change it." (view diff)
# jeremycherfas Fascinating deep dive. And now I know why a=a+1 makes sense, in some universes
# jeremycherfas I'm having trouble with the personal pronouns in this sentence from /microsub: "If your website is compatible with Microsub, then you can use any Microsub client to read your timeline and follow people."
# jeremycherfas It seems to terse to me, and needs unpacking.
# jeremycherfas Does this work? "If a website is compatible with Microsub, then any Microsub client allows people to follow, read the content of that site and interact directly with the site."
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[jgmac1106] this wordsmithing is cutting across two channels me thinks: Microsub, a technology for servers, provides a standardized way for apps, services, and websites to read and communicate different feeds. People include microsub technology in their clients, which gather feeds from across the web and display them in a reader. If a website is microsub compatible a user can follow, read the content, and interact with the site directly from the fee
# [jgmac1106] client???
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# [jgmac1106] @skenbel then how do I add a feed to my reader if I am using microsub client?
# [jgmac1106] but how do you follow the site? That doesn't touch MicroSub? and there is also a WebSub too..........
# [jgmac1106] So why then is it wrong to say Microsub allows you to "follow" if speaking to more or a layperson while not technically true it does sound like the microsub client allows me to follow
# [jgmac1106] even though its the client allowing you to follow I guess
# [jgmac1106] that makes sense and I am writing sentences remixing what [jeremycherfas] wrote while talking about stuff I know little about
# jeremycherfas See, this discussion, while perfectly reasonable, is why I give up quickly. The whole client-server business, with a protocol that allows them to communicate, is foreign to almost everybody.
# jeremycherfas However, talk about a browser, a website and HTTP and they might more or less get it.
# jeremycherfas Even if they don't, they're not wondering what a client is.
# [jgmac1106] ...this discussion is the reason we can't get up. I belive creating more "human readable" documentation is essential to growth
# [jgmac1106] yeah I thouhg about trying to translate "client" into something...but....
# jeremycherfas Microsub seems to me to be about plumbing. And I don't need to know about plumbing if what I want is a hot shower.
# jeremycherfas Some parts of the wiki just are not, and never should be, considered for general consumption.
# jeremycherfas I'd go further, and suggest that wiki pages be colour coded -- or at least have a flag -- to indicate the level at which they are ostensibly pitched.
# jeremycherfas Zegnat isn't it the HTTP that sits between a site you follow and your reader?
# [jgmac1106] In the first sentence I wrote, "apps, services, and websites" instead of client
# jeremycherfas What is a service?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "service" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "service is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# jeremycherfas Confusing times, all around.
# [jgmac1106] Microsub, a technology for servers, provides a standardized way for appsand websites called clients to read and communicate with different feeds. People include microsub technology in their clients, which gather feeds from across the web and display them in a reader. If a website is microsub compatible a user can follow, read the content, and interact with the site directly from the feed gathered by the client
# [jgmac1106] so here I tried to use appositive defintions for all key terms like microsub and client. I did not define feed in the example but could.
# jeremycherfas Getting there. But doesn't interacting with the site actually require the client and the site to use microPUB?
# [jgmac1106] Microsub, a technology for servers, provides a standardized way for app sand websites, called clients, to read and communicate with different feeds. People include microsub technology in their clients, which gather feeds from across the web and display them in a reader. If a website is microsub compatible a user can follow, read the content, and interact with the site directly from the feed gathered by the client. If you want to write on
# [jgmac1106] website, such as leaving a comment right from your client using another technology called MicroPub. MicroPub is....
# [jgmac1106] in my head MicroSub=reading MicroPub=writing
# [jgmac1106] but a lot of bad shit goes down in my head so never use it as a point of reference
# jeremycherfas "Microsub is a technology for servers. It provides a standardized way for apps and websites ("clients") to read and communicate with content feeds. Microsub enables a client to gather material from feeds across the web and display them in a [[reader]]. If a website is microsub compatible, people can use a suitable reader to follow and read the content. Some readers can use another protocol -- [[Micropub]] -- to interact directly with the
# jeremycherfas content on the feed, for example with a like, a repost or a comment."
# [jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] +++
# jeremycherfas Shall I go for that?
# jeremycherfas Yeah, why not, until someone comes along and finds fault with it. Then they can roll us back.
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# jeremycherfas Is that not the case, sknebel?
# jeremycherfas OK, editing ...
# [jgmac1106] @skenbel would you jjust sy if your website is "indieweb powered or indieweb compatible?"
# [jgmac1106] doesn't mean much yet. Meaning can get critical mass
# jeremycherfas Microsub is a technology for servers. It provides a standardized way for apps and websites ("clients") to read and communicate with content feeds. Microsub enables a client to gather material from feeds across the web and display them in a [[reader]]. With microsub, people can use any suitable reader to follow and read the content. Decoupling the idea of displaying posts from actually fetching remote feeds makes it simpler to build a reader
# jeremycherfas client.
# jeremycherfas Some readers use another protocol -- [[Micropub]] -- to interact directly with the content on the feed, for example with a like, a repost or a comment.
# jeremycherfas Sorry about formatting, but you can figure it out.
# [jgmac1106] that is shorter and a less complex sentence I like it
# Loqi IndieWeb friendly refers to online services interoperating well with the indieweb by supporting open indieweb formats, protocols, as well as enabling users to transition to their own indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/friendly
# [jgmac1106] mornign your up early, or traveling
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# jeremycherfas What is microsub
# Loqi Microsub is a technology for servers. It provides a standardized way for apps and websites ("clients") to read and communicate with content feeds.There is an early draft of the underpinning spec https://indieweb.org/microsub
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# jeremycherfas I'll be out for a while too, but happy to listen to your concerns
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petermolnar [jgmac1106]: I don't think there's a problem with the gen1-4 naming. It's just a terminology; and for that, it's quite clear - after reading the generations page - and rather neutral. Something like "builders", "bloggers", etc. would be less neutral, in my opinion.
# petermolnar (bringing the topic over here from the main channel)
# [jgmac1106] yeah after thinking on it (took a shower) I came to same conclusion
# [jgmac1106] @skenbel also thinking about alternative ways folks could learn this stuff by creating projects in Glitch and websites in Thimble for example
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# jeremycherfas !tell aaronpk Thanks for improving Microsub definition. I do think it is now better than it was when we started. I might be tempted to do a little more copy editing, but not immediately.
# jeremycherfas You know what they say about perfection.
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# [jgmac1106] Also thinking about how well video series could help "What is an h-card?" "What is an h-entry" Keep the format tight: Bumper>Explicit Definition>Everyday metaphor>Screencast of working in the wild>Bumper" Keep it 2-3 minutes tops. Gives you 300-450 words, but knock off 25 on each end for a bumper. Still can say a lot in 250-400 words. Come to think about it doesn't micro.blog suggest 280 words. Never really thouhgt about my ideal video and
# [jgmac1106] being the same but they are
# [jgmac1106] math is off, I increased length of bumper but forgot to adjust word count
# [jgmac1106] or I have to stop using Slack, that's an easier option
# petermolnar [jgmac1106]: I might approach it from the other direction: how to make an online business card? which could cover h-card, VCARD, qr-code embedded VCARD, etc.
# [jgmac1106] I can story board them out, but want to finish the wordpress user research and documentation first
# [jgmac1106] @petermolnar awesome idea. The businesses I am working with though are more on the, "but its easier just to update facebook and I know all my customers see it" crowd. Have to start at principle one with that crowd
# [jgmac1106] [aaronpk] part of the reason I also want to be forward thinking about videos we use to screencast. Be nice just to build up a library of sources people could use in presentations and videos. Being able to strip audio or make gif for tutorials
# [jgmac1106] I will be going through each wordpress plug-in doing my own think alouds so it will be a test case
# petermolnar [jgmac1106]: there's an android app, called Barcode scanner; if you share a contact info with it, it displays a QR code; if that QR is scanned with the native camera of an iphone, it offers to save the contact details - I managed to "impress" people with this; no Facebook dance involved, looks way more professional.
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# petermolnar I think it could be presented in a way to make it interesting
# [jgmac1106] yeahI have the app. Still not sure why QR codesdidn't get built into camera apps
# [jgmac1106] but i think visual processing and ar will replace qr codes
# [jgmac1106] there's an idea? What is an indieweb solution so you could have embedded AR using microformats in real world stuff like a business card
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/file-20180424084819-3738.png I didn't know t did it with vcards too!
# petermolnar [jgmac1106]: I started exploring that idea a while ago with bluetooth beacons, but it was a bit too ahead if it's time
# [jgmac1106] but what if a native android app when the camera was focused on a business card that might have something, say the indieweb logo, or any trigger determined by the user to load a page.
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Zegnat Phone screenshot inception: https://i.imgur.com/CDcXQtI.png
# [jgmac1106] @petermolnar in terms of business crowd are there plug-inns/tutorials for wix and squarespace users? I see most DIY small business going that route, but if I was trying to build a service layer on top of these technologies I would look to stripe and square, having your inventory back end connected to a super easy front end page builder is where I belive everyone is going to land
# petermolnar I have no knowledge in those areas at all
# petermolnar I have never used wix or squarespace
# [jgmac1106] me neither but when I see people getting onto shared hosting now a days its usually through somethign like that
# [jgmac1106] cool, whats the logo button do? turn my logo into a readable code?
# Zegnat https://i.imgur.com/u4vePEz.png - me fumbling to hit the screenshot button combination, but there is the popup I get on my camera app on Android
# petermolnar malware through qr is not just rare, but extremely hard as well
# petermolnar unless the scanner app loads a scanned url silently
# petermolnar so if you know the app doesn't follow links, scanning qr is rather sage
# petermolnar safe
# [jgmac1106] Since there are folks who basically helped invent web video in this chat, what would be the best resolution to make video shareable. i know folks can always scale down rather than up but I ended up going 720p rather than 1080p figuring smaller size also made sharing easier
# jeremycherfas !tell aaronpk I expected something a little more interesting than example.com
# [jgmac1106] but don't you all think the image processing in our phones will make QR obsolete soon, I should be able to assign anything a trigger and share that trigger within my community and they can load my vcard with that
# [jgmac1106] okay will do
# jeremycherfas The second one is impressive.
# [jgmac1106] but does it have to? Can we give the ability to assign triggers and reproduce the functionality you are showing with QR codes?
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# petermolnar let me quote Zegnat on himself: "everyone's edge case"
# aaronpk oh yeah i forgot about this one https://aaronparecki.com/2015/10/05/12/image-4.png
# petermolnar eh, embedded image qr
# petermolnar that's a tricky thing
# petermolnar but an impressive thing
# petermolnar wechat offers to customize their built-in qr similarly
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# [jgmac1106] that is really cool [aaronpk] license a photobooth, build in the technology and sell that to every tech conference under the sun
# [jgmac1106] or weddings, it would rage at nerd weddings, especially if a video url or images from guests did load
# [jgmac1106] I wish I had time to wast a would go photoshop a booth
# [jgmac1106] ....of course you have
# aaronpk here's the photos from one of the events I used that at https://www.flickr.com/photos/communitycyclingcenter/albums/72157649366213221
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ben_thatmustbeme wow, that qart thing works great with the trollface emoji
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# [jgmac1106] build a QR code photo booth, rendering an hCard to to VCard and rent it out to every Silicon Valley wedding a 10K a pop with all the money going to the inideweb foundation or your pocket. Either way rich people pay stupid amounts of money for wedding crap, stick a charity on it for heart strings, total upsell
# petermolnar ^^^ this is a very neat idea :)
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# petermolnar there's an alternative method for embedding qr in image: https://github.com/scola/Qart
# Loqi [scola] Qart: Qart merge picture and QR code, based on https://github.com/chinuno-usami/CuteR
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# [jgmac1106] [aaronpk] I think now I remember why I did 720p if folks want to be on camera and use their webcams don't most shoot 720p? For screencasts I can keep it at 1080p
# [jgmac1106] yeah I only want to do 1080p just means I need to upgrade my webcams.
# [jgmac1106] I do a ton of screensharing, picture in picture, where you are cutting from users to screens so I have always been forced to shoot these at 720p. Will figure out if I can come up with a better workflow. Like somebody introducing a video in person. Don't know much about hardward but a better lens in a facetime HD camera doesn't seem like an unreasonable request
# [jgmac1106] I know but now I am rendering, and soon I am editing, and my ability to just spit out video goes down. Will look into getting new camera
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[kevinmarks] My phone shoots 4k video which is crazy
# [jgmac1106] This was a mistake. Accidentally logged into WordPress chat on free node. It was a slightly bigger room
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# dougbeal|imac aaronpk: it looks like the tito survey for event attendance for the summit is using last year's days
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