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Loqi [superfeedr] "@dogtrax….hmm" by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/dogtrax-hmm-94ec008d7308?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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Loqi [superfeedr] "It should be Day thee of my 14 day #IndieWeb Drupal challenge (I never said they had to be…" by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/it-should-be-day-thee-of-my-14-day-indieweb-drupal-challenge-i-never-said-they-had-to-be-1864fd5c1821?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@dogtrax it makes me happy that my Twitter feed is in your RSS reader and it all originates from my…" by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/dogtrax-it-makes-me-happy-that-my-twitter-feed-is-in-your-rss-reader-and-it-all-originates-from-my-2ef4da99abb2?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Though @dogtrax you know I have been RSS or Die since day one…but….what" by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://medium.com/@jgmac1106/though-dogtrax-you-know-i-have-been-rss-or-die-since-day-one-but-what-37e346559f88?source=rss-be51ee086a18------2
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Loqi [superfeedr] "It should be Day thee of my 14 day #IndieWeb Drupal challenge (I never said they had to be sequential..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3140-2/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@dogtrax it makes me happy that my Twitter feed is in your RSS reader and it all originates from my blog...." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3142-2/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@ebonyteach you are such a prolific academic Twitter. We should get you hooked up with an #IndieWeb solution..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3136-2/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@dogtrax….hmm how to keep up with my #IndieWeb stuff….well I will give you my #IndieWeb answer: Check..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://jgregorymcverry.com/dogtraxindieweb/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Though @dogtrax you know I have been RSS or Die since day one…but….what has me most excited about digital..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3146-2/
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ancarda Where do these Loqi posts come from? What is superfeedr?
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ancarda What is superfeedr?
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Loqi Superfeedr provides a variety of ways to access real-time feed updates, including a popular PubSubHubbub-0.4 compliant hub https://indieweb.org/Superfeedr
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ancarda So if my blog implements PubSubHubbub, will posts show up here?
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sknebel and you ping superfeedr's hub or someone uses their feed-following product to follow your feed
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ancarda Hmm, I'll have to add that to my new post pipeline
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Been trying to convince this #OpenScience effort the best way to MOOC is to not MOOC at all, as a centralized..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3150-2/
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ancarda For now, I could setup RSS -- is that a thing people still setup on (IndieWeb) pages?
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sknebel yes
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sknebel (or probably more commonly Atom)
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[schmarty] in Loqi's case, I believe those posts come from searching superfeedr for any mentions of certain keywords like indieweb in all posts that superfeedr is aware off. aaronpk knows for sure.
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ancarda I never learned Atom
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ancarda https://indiewebify.me/ has a good list of things you should do; sort out sign-in, publish h-entry content, setup WebMentions. Is there a list of things to do after you have done those?
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[schmarty] ancarda: it's not too late to learn Atom. also, granary.io can convert some feed types (like microformats2 h-feed) into atom automatically. i use it for my site's Atom feed.
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ancarda Improving how I handle WebMentions is on my list
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ancarda Do you self-host that code, or do you link directly to the page that is spitting out the Atom files?
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[schmarty] i don't mind granary.io hosting it, so for now i link there directly. i should probably replace the <link> with a URL i control that redirects temporarily to granary, though.
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[schmarty] also this sounds more like -dev talk
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ancarda Sure, let's switch to #dev
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hey @mysticfox1 Check out how your tweets show up as comments on my post (which you responded to on Twitter)...." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3168-2/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "👓 New Communities Can Be Overwhelming | David Wolfpaw" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-06-04 https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/04/new-communities-can-be-overwhelming-david-wolfpaw/
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aaronpk !rt http://twtr.io/1earWV38hJf
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Loqi Sorry, you have to be listed on https://indieweb.org/irc-people before you can help retweet
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aaronpk oops
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sknebel !rt http://twtr.io/1earWV38hJf
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Loqi Sorry, you have to be listed on https://indieweb.org/irc-people before you can help retweet
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aaronpk !rt http://twtr.io/1earWV38hJf
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Loqi Sorry, you have to be listed on https://indieweb.org/irc-people before you can help retweet
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sknebel Loqi, where's my +v?
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aaronpk that's related :)
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aaronpk !rt http://twtr.io/1earWV38hJf
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Loqi Sorry, you have to be listed on https://indieweb.org/irc-people before you can help retweet
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aaronpk oh caching
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aaronpk !rt http://twtr.io/1earWV38hJf
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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sknebel !rt http://twtr.io/1earWV38hJf
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Loqi Thanks sknebel and aaronpk! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1003716602506825728
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@mweller I am thinking something like this: https://jgregorymcverry.com/can-we-have-an-indieweb-webmentions-credentialing-system-openbadges/..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-06-04 https://jgregorymcverry.com/3184-2/
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gRegorLove Do we have an FAQ for this type of thing? https://twitter.com/DIYMidwest/status/1003735340086153216
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@DIYMidwest @mrkhdly @wearwolfking I just don’t like corporate sponsors of any kind for an indie establishment of any kind, it instantly ruins it for me (twitter.com/_/status/1003735340086153216)
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aaronpk hm I can't think of any existing documentation
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/DIYMidwest/status/1003735489759862785 lol
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@DIYMidwest @mrkhdly @wearwolfking It’s not indie if you are funded by corporate (twitter.com/_/status/1003735489759862785)
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tantek oh boy, taking this to chat
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gRegorLove I'm working on a reply, will run it by -chat first
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tantek gRegorLove: I'd say anyone can step up and do the work of organizing a Homebrew Website Club meetup to start (without any sponsors if you like), show that you can make that happen, and that'll show you may be able to run an IndieWebCamp
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aaronpk here's some perspective from one of the "patrons" of XOXO festival https://web.archive.org/web/20160322090811/https://www.hover.com/blog/xoxo-2014-recap/
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aaronpk ironically the original URL is gone
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aaronpk I like XOXO's approach to sponsorship
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tantek gRegorLove: consider reaching out to the positive people in the thread first
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gRegorLove oops
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gRegorLove already sent
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gRegorLove ha https://twitter.com/DIYMidwest/status/1003739698081226752
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@DIYMidwest @gRegorLove @mrkhdly @wearwolfking Hard pass. (twitter.com/_/status/1003739698081226752)
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tantek wow
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aaronpk lol well then
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tantek gRegorLove: could be worth replying separately to https://twitter.com/mrkhdly/status/1003727151290638336
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@mrkhdly @DIYMidwest @wearwolfking This might be interesting to you two. https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1003727151290638336)
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tantek with just a nice thank you and inviting him to IndieWeb Summi!
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tantek Summit* even
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tantek gRegorLove: does your tweet reply posting UI let you remove people from the canoe?
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aaronpk how do you do that on twitter?
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gRegorLove No, but I'll PESOS
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aaronpk oh wow there's a whole interface for it
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gRegorLove Click the "Replying to" line
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tantek aaronpk: I do it all the time
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gRegorLove Quite user unfriendly, esp. on mobile
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aaronpk I don't go to twitter.com anymore so I haven't seen that before
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tantek maybe because I still use custom Falcon code to POSSE my @-replies?
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aaronpk is this in the API?
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tantek no if you use the "older" tweet posting API, you don't get an auto-canoe
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tantek so all my @-replies have explicit @-s
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aaronpk I get auto-canoes using the API
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tantek so I always get full control :D
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aaronpk oh wow
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tantek this is one of the benefits of NOT always auto-updating all the things
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tantek your code still works as expected
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aaronpk auto_populate_reply_metadata=true with exclude_reply_user_ids=... to list particular users to be removed from the canoe
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gRegorLove I use Bridgy Publish usually so get the auto-canoe
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gRegorLove tantek: good suggestion to engage the positive people first. Will try to remember that.
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tantek it's all too easy (default threat response prioritization) to respond to the most negative people first.
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gRegorLove Definitely gives a better feeling to say thanks to someone and get a like (dopamine, woo!) than a brush-off response.
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tantek literally takes conscious effort to do the opposite (have been trying to practice this for years and it *still* takes lots of conscious effort, and I still often forget)
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tantek yeah!
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tantek aaronpk related, Gitea support in IndieLogin
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tantek do Gitea profile URLs support rel=me?
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aaronpk Once they support IndieAuth I won't have to do anything special for it ;-)
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tantek whoa really?
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aaronpk Possibly. They are interested
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tantek I mean it really works like that?
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aaronpk Yeah it would just look like anyone else's IndieAuth server
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tantek IndieLogin -> enter personal domain -> discovers rel=me to Gitea profile -> ???
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aaronpk Well no, you'd be able to type in a Gitea profile url as an IndieAuth identity
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tantek nearly no one has "anyone else's IndieAuth server"
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tantek right I mean as a replacement to the current rel=me to a GitHub profile
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aaronpk Everyone running WordPress can be their own IndieAuth server now
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tantek can be vs how many examples are there documented on the wiki?
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aaronpk Back to your original question
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tantek And here I thought I asked the right question
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aaronpk Turns out there isn't really any benefit to the silo you use to authenticate to include rel=me
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tantek it reduces errors
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aaronpk Have you read my post about twitter and IndieAuth.com? I tried to explain it there
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aaronpk Doing the rel=me check ahead of time adds a significant delay before you can press that button, especially if there are multiple accounts. I tried to work around that on IndieAuth.com by 1) caching the list, which of course introduced caching errors, and 2) doing that verification with JS so at least you don't have to wait for a slow page load
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aaronpk Even after you do the rel=me check ahead of time, you still have to check which user actually authenticated after they log in, at which point you're fetching their silo profile which also includes their URL
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aaronpk So I dropped the backlink check from the twitter profile web page and instead I check for the backlink via the API
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aaronpk I have to use the API anyway so it wasn't extra work
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tantek I misunderstood - I thought you were dropping Twitter support
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aaronpk I did from indieauth.com
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aaronpk but it's in indielogin.com because I fundamentally changed how it's silo auth works
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tantek and the wiki uses indielogin?
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aaronpk Yep
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aaronpk I did a big push on that yesterday to flip the switch
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tantek ohhh ok
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aaronpk Which is also part of why I dropped it from IndieAuth.com last week, cause I knew I was close
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aaronpk And it would take a huge refactor to fix it for IndieAuth.com
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tantek aaronpk is there an issue on Gitea to support IndieAuth?
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aaronpk Yes, I replied to it from my site
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aaronpk https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/27
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Loqi [tboerger] #27 Integrate an OAuth2 provider
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aaronpk I suggested they implement an IndieAuth server as a way of implementing OAuth so that apps don't have to register before hand
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tantek a-ha
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tantek ooh good reply re: OIDC
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tantek that's worthy of adding to IndieAuth FAQ
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tantek it's a very subtle but important difference
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tantek https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/27#issuecomment-394480792
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Loqi [aaronpk] Not quite, since OpenID Connect still requires registering clients to get client credentials to use with the flows. There is a dynamic client registration part of OpenID Connect, but this allows you to entirely bypass the need for registering clients...
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aaronpk True. That's the one that matters now that everyone has forgotten about OpenID 1
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tantek right
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tantek Why should I implement IndieAuth instead of or in addition to OpenID Connect?
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tantek ^^^ sample FAQ phrasing, feel free to reword
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tantek and then reword your existing answer there accordingly
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tantek what is IndieAuth FAQ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieAuth FAQ" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieAuth FAQ is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek IndieAuth FAQ is /IndieAuth#FAQ
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is IndieLogin
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieLogin" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IndieLogin is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek or more to the point: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?search=IndieLogin&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go
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sknebel IndieLogin is /indielogin.com
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Loqi ok
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tantek wow that is very weird that the search came up with nothing then ^^^
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Retweeted this tweet: AJ ONeal on Twitter: &#8220;How to migrate from @Microsoft @github to my favorite git platform, @gitea (a great #IndieWeb alternative): https://t.co/mHClR1muZ7 https://t.co/axDnwVXKa1&#8220;" by Scott Kingery on 2018-06-04 http://techlifeweb.com/17660-2/
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tantek Gitea << https://twitter.com/gitea
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/gitea" to the "See Also" section of /Gitea https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48311&oldid=48306
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tantek uh apparently not tho https://twitter.com/gitea
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tantek oh dear they're getting lots of false @-mentions today
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aaronpk haha
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tantek this: https://twitter.com/giteaio
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aaronpk all the vowels