#meta 2018-07-31

2018-07-31 UTC
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tantek__ IWC SF checklist
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tantek__ ✅ pizzas ordered for 20 for lunch
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tantek__ ✅ room configured for small workgroups for 24
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tantek__ ✅ AV checked out for projecting for intros/demos (with sound!)
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tantek__ [ ] figure out Vidyo setup for remote participation and session recording - will have to do that in the morning
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aaronpk looks forward to joining remotely tomorrow!
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tantek__ aaronpk in that case I may need your help in testing remote participation before it starts
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aaronpk I can do that!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "SiloRider: a CLI tool that cross-posts entries on your blog to Twitter/Mastodon" by ludovicchabant@users.lobste.rs on 2018-07-31 https://ludovic.chabant.com/devblog/2018/07/30/announcing-silorider/
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] sorry about Alice, Bob, et al. in my article, but I have to much background in information theory not to.
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[chrisaldrich] I did purposely define Chuck as a Medium.com user though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_and_Bob
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /Planning (+105) "adding venue contact history" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 chrisaldrich++
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jgmac1106 I had no idea the bias went that far back but it makes sense, time for Alice and Bob to become Anushka and Badr al Din
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] I saw them every where thanks for history lesson
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], if you want to use some international variations, this is a very interesting list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_names_in_different_languages
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat just trying to hold the mantra that by the Summit next year /leaders make up reflects the web and not historic inequities
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[jgmac1106] Ooh wow that is great!
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Zegnat I don’t remember why, but I looked into placeholder names a while back
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Zegnat Don’t think I collected to links for later though. Stupid me
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[jgmac1106] Wondering if I should add https://edu522.networkedlearningcollaborative.xom to events
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[jgmac1106] Picked up two open participants yesterday. Happy for more. These came in from micro.blog
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[jgmac1106] The dark side of open courses is the importance of celebrity but I have none so will keep class size manageable
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2018/SF (+14) "/* Remote Participation */ $me" (view diff)
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Zegnat Wait, that IWC is today?! ^^^
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sknebel yup
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jgmac1106 why are some events on the wiki an h-entry and other in wikimedia markup? Is one more right than other?
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Zegnat 19:00 start CEST time, if I am getting the timezones right. I’ll have to see if I can free up my night.
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /Events (+824) "/* August */ added vHWC-Blogging-101" (view diff)
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Zegnat Are you refering to the {{one-day-event}} template on /Events, jgmac1106? That is a template for a very specific purpose and outputs very specific HTML. So as soon as an event deviates from that specific format you need to handroll the HTML.
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sknebel and they both result in an h-entry :)
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jgmac1106 okay, I was just adding vHWC, haven’t decided if I am adding the course yet
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jgmac1106 If I do any IWC-remotely I need to spend all the hack time writing but I may try to hit a session
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Zegnat Hack time really is just your personal work time. So if you need to work on writing, that’s what you should work on.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Great post. I am sharing it with my #EDU522 class. It’s actually an #OpenPedagogy course so if you know..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-07-31 http://jgregorymcverry.com/5336-2/
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jeremych- Zegnat++ for that amazing placeholder page.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hopefully you can squeeze a few of the #dailyponderance posts in or actually hang in our modules. Love..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-07-31 http://jgregorymcverry.com/5340-2/
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jgmac1106 [chrisaldrich] See Dick and Jane…been an issue in children’s lit way longer than information science
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[tantek] When your OS asks you to update default apps you never use - https://twitter.com/niccagematch/status/1022519204585586695
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@NicCageMatch I've been hitting "remind me tomorrow" on a computer update for the last 68 years. (twitter.com/_/status/1022519204585586695)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hey #ctedcamp #digiuri #ctcasl friends if you ever wanted to launch your own website or blog, finally..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-07-31 http://jgregorymcverry.com/5342-2/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Teaching with RSS and webmentions is so much fun #DoOO #indieweb #clmooc #ds106 #literacies #edtechchat..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-07-31 http://jgregorymcverry.com/5346-2/
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2018/SF (+27) "/* Remote Participation */ RSVP maybe" (view diff)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Stepping back from POSSE" by Ben Werdmüller on 2018-07-31 https://werd.io/2018/stepping-back-from-posse
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tantek__ aaronpk, going to use up my last batch of IWC stickers today!
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tantek__ we'll see if I have any leftover for dweb summit
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aaronpk oh nice!
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tantek__ and already all out of the "new" fixed microformats stickers
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aaronpk wow
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tantek__ bringing the old ones and hoping to instruct people on the correct rotation
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aaronpk pretty sure I still have more, i'll make sure I bring some next time I come down
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tantek__ and I also discovered that I'm out of Hello my name is and large stickies at home
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tantek__ so I need to put in an amazon order for those
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tantek__ though did we ever look into getting name badge stickers that said "Hello My URL is" instead?
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure we can make that happen
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aaronpk I think I printed some one year
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tantek__ I think we should make IWC kits for all the leaders and just make sure everyone has one
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tantek__ with a batch of 50-100 Hello My URL is badges, and maybe 100 large color sticky notes
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tantek.com edited /2018/SF (-9) "not a stub, it's on!" (view diff)
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aaronpk looks like getting a giant stack of custom printed nametags isn't super expensive
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aaronpk i'll order some and I can mail out packs to whoever wants them
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aaronpk 3"x4" or business card sized?
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tantek__ aaronpk no rush at this point
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tantek__ let's make sure to get it right, then we can bring them to Nurnberg, Berlin etc.
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aaronpk yeah I definitely want to have them for october
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[snarfed] tantek et al, I'll be in the neighborhood early if you want a hand setting up
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Loqi [snarfed]: tantek left you a message 1 week, 3 days ago: up for giving a 5-10 min keynote on indiemap / bridgy / bridging in general at IWC SF / dweb hackers day? Basically what you showed/spoke on at IWS, but less rushed :)
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[snarfed] heh. sure!
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[snarfed] (if it still fits)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Glenn 2.0" by Glenn Dixon on 2018-07-31 https://glenn.thedixons.net/1095-2/
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aaronpk okay, where did we go wrong with the content on the home page that someone thinks the indieweb "doesn't have social interactions"
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/outlandishjosh/status/1024273389110714374
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@outlandishjosh @kevinmarks @michaelfavia That's interesting, but it looks mostly like "the web" - which is totally cool, but I think too hard for most normal people to use on their own. Also doesn't have social interactions. (twitter.com/_/status/1024273389110714374)
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tantek__ not enough faces
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tantek__ maybe ask them what they mean by "social interactions"
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Glenn 2.0" by Glenn Dixon on 2018-07-31 https://glenn.thedixons.net/1096-2/
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eight45.net created /Template:noffle (+87) "Created page with "noffle is a humyn who writes useful computer programs for people and their communities."" (view diff)
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tantek__ or maybe they need to see a "social timeline" on the home page 😂
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eight45.net created /User:Eight45.net (+107) "Created page with "noffle is a humyn who writes useful computer programs for people and their communities. http://eight45.net"" (view diff)
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tantek__ snarfed, I see you're @MozSF. Drafting you to help out :)
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aaronpk happy to test out video stuff any time, just send me a link
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tantek__ Hangout in the main lobby and when more IndieWebCamp SF folks show up, please ask the receptionist to direct them to Foxhole where they'll need a Mozilla person to let them in
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Zegnat should /2018/SF have a note for how possible late-comers can get in? Do they need to ask reception to page tantek? Can they just ask directions to Foxhole?
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Zegnat tantek ^^^
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tantek__ aaronpk, ready to test? We're in the "indieweb" Vidyo room
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dougbeal No info on remote conneting?
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aaronpk I can't find the download link for vidyo
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aaronpk just videos on how to download 😭
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aaronpk I think I need a link shared from mozilla
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dougbeal Not sure why Vidyo app I should use, do we have a portal address?
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aaronpk found https://wiki.mozilla.org/Vidyo
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gRegorLove Vidyo << https://wiki.mozilla.org/Vidyo
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Loqi ok, I added "https://wiki.mozilla.org/Vidyo" to the "See Also" section of /Vidyo https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50465&oldid=50464
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aaronpk wat https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-31-10-03-01-CgdwIbnFxO.jpg
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tantek__ aaronpk are you getting that from the download link?
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aaronpk after I downloaded the dmg
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dougbeal lol
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aaronpk trying again
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aaronpk um, the second file is a different size
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-31-10-05-23-06WpMxzShr.jpg
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aaronpk and the third attempt only downloaded 8.2mb
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aaronpk wtf
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tantek__ you're getting these from https://v.mozilla.com/ ?
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aaronpk yea
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dougbeal I got 37.8 mb
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dougbeal Well, thats the reported size, still downloading
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aaronpk yeah it reports as 37.8 then stops downloading part way thru
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aaronpk attempts to download via wget
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dougbeal Seemed to install on Mojave
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aaronpk there we go, got the whole file now
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dougbeal Is there a guest link?
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tantek__ dropped a download link in -chat
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tantek__ should be ~36MB
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aaronpk okay, got vidyo installed
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aaronpk need a link to click on tho since I don't have a mozilla account
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tantek__ https://v.mozilla.com/flex.html?roomdirect.html&key=33fgsHxjRKYp
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tantek__ once you've confirmed that works, can you add it to wherever our live stream page is and top of /2018/SF?
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aaronpk whoa they launched a webrtc version?
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tantek__ yes, this weekend
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aaronpk no download required for that!
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tantek__ dougbeal: looks like you're in
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dougbeal mad it on ipad
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tantek__ aaronpk can you handle wiki edits accordingly?
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aaronpk it's a little sluggish on my laptop
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aaronpk sure i'll add to the wiki
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aaronparecki.com edited /2018/SF (+201) "/* Remote Participation */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018/SF/Schedule (-34) "/* Tuesday July 31 2018 */ snarfed for 3rd keynote" (view diff)
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aaronpk oops everyone is gone
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dougbeal I think there is no video source?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "In just one day I have been able to get folks online with WordPress and microblog and sending receiving..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-07-31 http://jgregorymcverry.com/5355-2/
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dougbeal Oh, is that a red record indicator in bottom right?
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aaronpk looks like it
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aaronpk i'm still not getting any video
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aaronpk it was working for a while
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jmac Yes, I got the message "Foxhole has left the room" or the like
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jmac suggesting that the event itself logged out of the video conference
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aaronpk come back foxhole!
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dougbeal foxhole down! foxhole down!
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jmac do you read over
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dougbeal tantek__: we lost video, foxhole disconnected
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dougbeal snarfed: we lost video, foxhole disconnected
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snarfed thx, looking
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sknebel back
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aaronpk it keeps dropping in and out
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aaronpk tantek__: is there a camera so that we can see who is presenting?
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aaronpk nice view of the audience tho
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tantek__ aaronpk there isn't unfortunately - or not that I know of
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tantek__ can you hear ok at least?
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aaronpk yep
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tantek__ can you see the slides?
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aaronpk yep
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tantek__ great
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jmac yes, slides + audio are both great.
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dougbeal Can you go fullscreen on the slides in the desktop app?
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gRegorLove Vidyo web works pretty well. Nice.
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[snarfed] [dougbeal] we'd like to but haven't figured out how yet
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gRegorLove dougbeal: you can with webclient
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dougbeal I rotated ipad to portrait, so its a little bigger
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aaronpk dougbeal: if you double tap the slide it will get bigger
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dougbeal thanks aaronpk, that worked. I was thrown off by the icons in the bar that did nothing 😔
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gRegorLove slides not advancing? I still see the webmention chart
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gRegorLove audio is good
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@outlandishjosh I could easily see @getpantheon building IndieWeb stacks with @WordPress +Plugins or @Drupal or @backdropcms + https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb to expand this type of decentralized web" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-07-31 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/outlandishjosh-i-could-easily-see-getpantheon-building-indieweb-stacks-with
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tantek__ yup let's setup an etherpad
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dougbeal How do I propose a session remotely?
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sknebel turn on your microphone and shout? ;)
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sknebel or ping someone in the room
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gRegorLove dougbeal, https://youtu.be/Ye7FKc1JQe4
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dougbeal gRegorLove: reference acknowledged
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gRegorLove haha
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aaronpk mmm lunch
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dougbeal This was the 11:50 line from the schedule?
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17SAAJIW3 ….can’t lie my 3:00 and 4:00 appointments canceled and kids are begging me to meet them at the pool….may just make one remote session, been working 6-7 days a week and only been to pool once this summer…
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The future, and some decisions to make" by Glenn Dixon on 2018-07-31 https://glenn.thedixons.net/1110-2/
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tantek__ IWC SF schedule grid updated!
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tantek__ new photo
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tantek__ https://indieweb.org/File:iwc-sf-2018-grid.jpg
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tantek__ can someone remote help wikify?
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tantek.com edited /2018/SF (+174) "/* Organizers */ and Volunteers" (view diff)
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sknebel can do
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tantek__ thanks much!
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tantek__ those of you helping out remotely - can you add yourselves to https://indieweb.org/2018/SF#Volunteers so we can thank you all?
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dougbeal sknebel: I got the first 2 sessions in, post-lunch ones need etherpads?
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gRegorLove sknebel, did you start updating the schedule already? If so I'll stop
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sknebel yes, I'm on it
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gRegorLove Not sure how I dropped out of -meta
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gRegorLove Ok, cool
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dougbeal So live transcribing goes in indieweb, meta goes in meta?
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17SAAJIW3 [tantek] I can help wikify…it’s tricky for folks
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17SAAJIW3 I can set up a 1:1 tutorial session
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dougbeal I think it was wikifying the sessions/schdule, but now i'm unsure 17SAAJIW3
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sknebel some double-check?
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gRegorLove dougbeal, ideally live transcribing demos can go in an etherpad; easier to archive to wiki later. It often takes place in #indieweb though.
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dougbeal sknebel: etheicalwebfutures got shifted, I think
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dougbeal Fixing it, hopefully
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[kevinmarks] which room is the feed in?
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sknebel the newer photo shows it like this ,was differently before?
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dougbeal [kevinmarks]: all have feeds
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dougbeal sknebel: the photo was updated in place?
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17SAAJIW3 [dougbeal] if using etherpad and sticking to mediawiki markup gets you all the friends
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dougbeal this is the photo link? https://indieweb.org/File:iwc-sf-2018-grid.jpg
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dougbeal ah, was getting cached version :(
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dougbeal sknebel: looks good
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sknebel ah, yeah, caching was weird
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sknebel got confused too for a moment since the thumbnail hadn#t updated for me, so had to double-check which version was which
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@chrisaldrich Thanks so much for joining our #IndieWeb class #edu522. So glad to have other expert facilitators..." by Greg McVerry on 2018-07-31 http://jgregorymcverry.com/5358-2/
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[jgmac1106] BOOM! IWC NYC confirmed! Sept 27-29 Pace University Manhattan. Will make page tomorrow
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dougbeal jgmac1106++
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sknebel jgmac1106++ yay!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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dougbeal Did Vidyo in Espresso die?
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tantek Free software and the IndieWeb starting in Espresso
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dougbeal tantek__: no Video
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aaronpk it's back!
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tantek__ thanks for the heads-up!
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tantek__ 2018/SF << https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/1024353788679737344
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/1024353788679737344" to the "See Also" section of /2018/SF https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=50500&oldid=50493
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tantek__ last breakout session happening in Espresso now
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked this tweet: Greg McVerry on Twitter: &#8220;@chrisaldrich Thanks so much for joining our #IndieWeb class #edu522. So glad to have other expert facilitators hop on to learn. Love to schedule a microcast with you to discuss concept and history of the “common book” (https://t.co/0GFBARVLpo)&#8221;" by Scott Kingery on 2018-07-31 http://techlifeweb.com/17831-2/
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aaronpk lol the [setup required] text on this slide! https://twitter.com/HoldenGs/status/1024405874175967232
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@HoldenGs Just learned about an interesting service called http://indieweb.org at #APIDays , a new way of managing your identity on websites that is completely controlled by you https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjdrtaBV4AEBkGR.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1024405874175967232)
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