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2018-08-17 UTC
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Oxford (+186) "/* IndieWebCamp Oxford 2018 */ p-location h-card" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 changing the name doesn’t solve any real problem, beware of logisitic work that keeps you busy from real work
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jgmac1106 if anything add a byline: HWC-SSG Edition, HWC-cat blog only….and realize I am responding to a convo a few days old as I opened my laptop
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[tantek] Changing the name of HWC?
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gRegorLove SSG?
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gRegorLove Stargate Edition? :)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah... Not even sure when [eddie] was talking about. Laptop was closed... Nothing to see here move along
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[jgmac1106] Though always accept the localisation of whatever best represents homebrew in native tongue
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[eddie] Changing the name solves the perception of a tech-focused event
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[eddie] But part of that discussion was first deciding: Is HWC being a non-tech focused event even the goal?
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[jgmac1106] Here is what I did to Signal its more for beginners http://jgregorymcverry.com/?s=Blogging+101
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[eddie] My point is that many people can be turned away from the term “Homebrew Website” because it just sounds very technical. Yes, putting a 101 on it says “beginners” but it could still mean beginners of people that want to learn tech stuff
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[eddie] The point isn’t to change the name but to first develop clarity around the ultimate purpose of HWC (Makers of anything or Gen 1/2). Then if it’s meant to be Makers of anything, I think a name change should be considered.
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[eddie] https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2018-08-14/1534288968700200
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Loqi [[eddie]] It’s really the same conversation we had about the principles page at the summit this year. Does HWC target makers of anything or makers of indieweb technology
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[eddie] If HWC is mostly a Gen 1/2 targeted event, that’s fine. But I think it needs to be determined if that is the goal or not.
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[tantek] Wider than that. Anyone that wants or is curious about having their own presence on the web
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[eddie] So it’s the same target audience as the Principles page then
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[tantek] That’s what we’ve framed it as in SF and that’s help bring in a diverse set of folks from researchers to hackers to kids with their dad that just want their own place to play on the web
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[tantek] Might be even broader Eddie
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[tantek] Principles are still there to focus and appeal to folks who are looking for a community that does what we do
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[tantek] Whereas HWC is totally ok for casual / occasional participants who are more curious than anything
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[eddie] Then yeah, if that’s the target audience, I do feel like a potential change of name should be considered in the long-run.
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[tantek] Sometimes people connect at HWC with the solution or service they’re looking for and they’re all set, they’re not necessarily looking for “community” (though meeting in person does help a lot with that)
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[eddie] Not tomorrow, maybe not even next year, but it should probably be in the back of our minds
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[tantek] Eddie one way to do that would be open to new cities picking different names and seeing how they do
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[eddie] Yeah, I think that’s a good point.
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[eddie] When I try to restart Frederick, I would probably try a new name, everyone that showed up to Fredericks were VERY technical, which is fine, but I think the name ends up moving it that way. If the title turns someone off, they won’t bother with the description
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[eddie] But I think that’s a great way to experiment with names without messing up what’s going well
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MetBril silo-quit << https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/sunday-review/maggie-haberman-twitter-donald-trump.html
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/sunday-review/maggie-haberman-twitter-donald-trump.html" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51075&oldid=51052
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tantek hmm new spam pattern? rando YT links?
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tantek will delete from Slack
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[tantek] Interesting those are not making it to Slack - or did Loqi already delete them?
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[dougbeal] Not seeing anything? Are you +OP?
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tantek__ yes
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tantek__ newsletter looks good!
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tantek__ hmm I wonder which new pages / dfns schmarty will pick for this week's podcast!
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tantek__ What is Angelfire
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Angelfire" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Angelfire is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ Angelfire is http://angelfire.com/ one of the earliest website hosting services, established in 1996, and continuously in operation since. (Examples needed of early Angelfire sites, especially pre-2010, that are still functionally roughly the same as they were)
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Loqi ok
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tantek__ what are 1996-sites
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "1996-sites" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "1996-sites is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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loqi.me created /1996-sites (+309) "prompted by tantek__ and dfn added by tantek__" (view diff)
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tantek__ lol I asked what is here in meta and answered it in #indieweb and it still worked
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loqi.me edited /1996-sites (+33) "tantek__ added "[[Angelfire]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek__ [kevinmarks]: ^^^ WDYT?
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tantek__ easier to maintain than the other thought which was "20 year sites"
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tantek__ which obviously would likely change every year
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tantek__ longevity << 1996-sites
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Loqi ok, I added "[[1996-sites]]" to the "See Also" section of /longevity https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=51081&oldid=50182
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[kevinmarks] Maybe that is the criterion, so we start with 1998 or older and roll forward
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tantek__ kevinmarks good idea
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tantek__ I want to include indieweb examples vs silo examples
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tantek__ though for indieweb examples, I'm having trouble evaluating the "when" year of launch, because indieweb sites tend to have lots of change and churn in functionality
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tantek.com edited /Events (-1) "IWC Oxford is a go" (view diff)
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