#meta 2018-12-06

2018-12-06 UTC
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[tantek] what is account migration
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Loqi account migration (AKA account portability, or the ability to move your account) is a specific kind of migration when a user switches from using one account on a particular server to using another account on another server, typically when both servers host multiple accounts, and has the common problem of losing followers https://indieweb.org/account_migration
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jacky lol single poinit of gargon
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] how should we contribute to https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/webmentions ?
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[tantek] and WDYT of adding h-feed support to like Special:RecentChanges ?
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jgmac1106 just add your name and thoughts all you have to do, I know you had specific workflow ideas and can say it better than me
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jgmac1106 these are all non binding proposals being collected during work week
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] where do I put my Wikipedia username?
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[tantek] gosh darnit shift-option-C causes the Etherpad on wikimedia to open the chat window when it should make a Ç
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[tantek] as usual, back to copy paste 🙄
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aaronpk hahaha
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Loqi aaronpk: lol
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jgmac1106 notification of citation is brilliant use case!
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[tantek] great! thanks - it was the simplest one I could think of
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[tantek] it's what lobste.rs does already I think
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[tantek] next would be adding h-cite markup to every citation in a wikipedia article
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[tantek] so that the receiver of the webmention could identify the link to their target as a citation
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] can "add h-cite markup to citations" be part of the webmention proposal, or does it have to be separate?
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jgmac1106 it can be same proposal
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jgmac1106 we can put it under how
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jgmac1106 that adds some technial complexity..would want it added behind the scene and follow their style guide for citations…..i just can’t escape h-cites and citations,,,,
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[tantek] ok I added it
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] did you consider use-cases for micropub or websub?
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[tantek] e.g. RecentChanges should have both h-feed and support WebSub
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[tantek] so you could get realtime updates
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[tantek] similarly the History page of every wikipedia page should have h-feed markup and support WebSub so you could get realtime notifications of when specific pages are edited
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jgmac1106 no as we were already submitting two other proposals one on badges (hopefully webmentions) and another on IndieAuth
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jgmac1106 what would be the beachead?
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aaronpk I can't even tell you how much I would enjoy that
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aaronpk I'm polling the RSS feed of a few wikipedia page histories right now
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] it should be relatively easy to add h-feed to the RecentChanges, History, TalkHistory pages, and also fairly straightforward to then add WebSub
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jgmac1106 I take it anyone is allowed to use the pad to make proposals. let me ask Jess if there has to be a foundation sponsor
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[tantek] it would/could reduce the need to poll wikipedia pages/feeds
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jgmac1106 that is a very sellable point in terms of reducing bandwidth
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[tantek] what is mediawiki
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Loqi MediaWiki is open source server wiki-project written in PHP that is used by Wikipedia and IndieWeb.org https://indieweb.org/MediaWiki
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aaronpk I'm probably already polling way more often than they want me to because i want quick notifications when it changes
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jgmac1106 I will make a pad and see what she says, its their work week two…
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aaronpk i could stop polling if I could subscribe via websub
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki (+335) "Building Block Proposals / need links from jgmac1106" (view diff)
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[tantek] can you link to your proposals from here? https://indieweb.org/MediaWiki#Building_Block_Proposals
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[tantek] I assume these are all proposals to land in MediaWiki core for Wikipedia use
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jgmac1106 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/h-feed
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jgmac1106 yeah I will
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[tantek] awesome [jgmac1106]
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /MediaWiki (+76) "/* Building Block Proposals */" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 today was last day of classes so I can’t hack on the pages now
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[tantek] no worries
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[tantek] thanks for creating & driving!
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[tantek] jgmac1106++
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Loqi jgmac1106 has 36 karma in this channel over the last year (83 in all channels)
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[tantek] TBH I think launching these proposals is something the community can contribute to as a whole and benefit from
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[tantek] if we don't have any other like code launches for today, we may want to consider getting these proposals into a good enough shape to list for today's indieweb challenge
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[tantek] does anyone have something for today (the 5th) for the indieweb challenge?
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[tantek] aaronpk, I added a bit to https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/h-feed - feel free to add more to describe consuming use-case with reader examples etc.
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jgmac1106 okay testing out the Zooms new group platform….of we can upgrade from hangouts….it is awesome
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aaronpk Ooh I haven't heard about that yet
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jgmac1106 called breakouts
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boffosocko.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:recent Lastfm scrobbles.PNG]]" https://indieweb.org/File:recent_Lastfm_scrobbles.PNG"
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[jgmac1106] host has to assign people to rooms you can't just room hop in breakouts...bummer..i mean it means host my get msg say move me to mf2 room I don't want microsub room
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[jgmac1106] but would have been nice if guests could move between breakout rooms without host..still we had ten people across four rooms and bandwidth to spare
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boffosocko.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:shazam listen posts.PNG]]" https://indieweb.org/File:shazam_listen_posts.PNG"
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boffosocko.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Lastfm set obsession.PNG]]" https://indieweb.org/File:Lastfm_set_obsession.PNG"
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boffosocko.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Lastfm pinned obsession.PNG]]" https://indieweb.org/File:Lastfm_pinned_obsession.PNG"
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boffosocko.com edited /jam (+574) "/* Silo Examples */ Last.fm obsessions" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Lastfm obsession.PNG]]" https://indieweb.org/File:Lastfm_obsession.PNG"
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[tantek] that's a very long heading 😂
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tantek.com edited /authorship (+1236) "start resolved and FAQ sections, move an issue there accordingly, avoid meta author" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is the challenge
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[tantek] Was there anything else shipping/launched yesterday for the challenge?
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Loqi challenge is an event-like post which serves as a (typically open) invitation for people to post achievements towards some goal, like running a total distance, or posting photos at some frequency (every day), supported by silos like Strava and micro.blog https://indieweb.org/challenge
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[tantek] heh
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[tantek] challenge << indieweb challenge
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2018-12-indieweb-challenge]]" to the "See Also" section of /challenge https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54491&oldid=44025
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[tantek] indieweb challenge << challenge
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Loqi ok, I added "[[challenge]]" to the "See Also" section of /2018-12-indieweb-challenge https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54492&oldid=54434
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[tantek] I think the launch of the Wikipedia IndieWeb building blocks project is worthy of it, since it is something the broader community can contribute to - even though there is no direct tangible community benefit - or maybe there is and I'm missing something? [jgmac1106] thoughts?
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[tantek] !tell manton any photos from IWC Austin this week? https://indieweb.org/events/2018-12-05-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106 I would agree. Have to start advocating somewhere…hope it isn’t borderline pie in the sky…also want be cognizant of Jess and her time and goals as both a person and employee of wikimedia foundation
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jgmac1106 why I love contributing to IndieWeb…no bosses….open source is harder when you worry about your friends day jobs
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jgmac1106 but she said she is happy to share the proposals with the team for discussionas any contributor can make them
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jgmac1106 would it be too hard to build proof of concepts on indieweb.org or are most already done?
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jgmac1106 we should link to examples of the building blocks already in our forked version
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Loqi I agree
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[tantek] great analysis and next-steps [jgmac1106]
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[tantek] If we can demonstrate these technologies working with either plugins or patches on indieweb.org, that may help demonstrate feasibility / value to MediaWiki as a whole
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sknebel I know there was a pubsubhubbub plugin (if I remember right, a few friends build that years ago as a school project with wikimedia berlin), we could try if that still works and what it covers
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sknebel s/school/uni
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herestomwiththeweather.com uploaded /File:austin_hwc_12_05.jpg "Austin Homebrew Website Club at Mozart's Coffee https://indieweb.org/File:austin_hwc_12_05.jpg"
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tantek.com edited /authorship (+284) "simply dfn, current algorithm is only single author based, multi-author is an issue awaiting real world examples, need formal spec and issues" (view diff)
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