#meta 2019-01-18
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-01-18.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[tantek] Has anyone tried posting an Indie RSVP to the Austin IndieWebCamp registration? https://2019.indieweb.org/austin
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@cafenun Das Jahr 2019 beginnen wir nächste Woche mit dem HOMEBREW WEBSITE CLUB – #KARLSRUHE
Beginn ist um 18:30 Uhr.
https://www.nun.cafe/konzerte-lesungen-kabarett-karlsruhe-events/2019/1/23/homebrew-website-club-karlsruhe (twitter.com/_/status/1086217679361531909)
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@developerhcnews IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the âcorporate webâ http://bit.ly/2kdzbsi (twitter.com/_/status/1086220487791915008)
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[jgmac1106] !tell eddie do you have Monday off? Can we meet for an hour or so to plan IWC/Online?
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petermolnar "IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the corporate web" - I'd still prefer something like "IndieWeb is people with websites" but that sounds a bit too much soylent green
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@jgmac1106 Anyone in #ctedu or #nhv we will start up Homebrew Website Club New Haven this Wednesday Jan 23rd 5:30-7:30 Davis Hall, Room 118, Southern Connecticut State University
If you have always wanted your own website for yourself or bus…https://lnkd.in/eKRNnRm https://lnkd.in/ebMev6i (twitter.com/_/status/1086228099153444864)
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@kickscondor ↩️ Ok—this is done. There is now a German edition at https://indieweb.xyz/de/. The translation files are at https://github.com/kickscondor/indieweb.xyz-lang for anyone who wants to translate the text of the site or add a new language. Thank you for your interest in participating! (twitter.com/_/status/1086275163937742848)
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# @jgmac1106 One of the scariest criticism's I have had to add yet: https://indieweb.org/Facebook#Criticism h/t to @dhh for the link. Get your friends and families off of facebook. Not to be trusted. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/98O4P) (twitter.com/_/status/1086279233758846976)
# @kickscondor Matthias Pfefferle asked for a German edition of http://Indieweb.xyz and it is ready now.: https://www.kickscondor.com/the-indieweb.xyz-translations-project (twitter.com/_/status/1086279804666560517)
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# sknebel aaronpk: shouldn't it voice people from /chat-names anyways?
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boffosocko.com edited /Grav (+183) "metbril's micropub plugin with basic support for post, reply and bookmark posts" (view diff)
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# Loqi [tantek]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 6 hours, 46 minutes ago: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/01/14/yes-just-rsvping-for-indiewebcamp-austin-literacies-lra19-edtechchat-edcamp
# [tantek] [jgmac1106] odd I don't see your RSVP on https://2019.indieweb.org/austin
# [jgmac1106] if only the meta crap images didn't work like science to increase engagement
# [jgmac1106] but like the u-featured stuff I saw happening
# [tantek] !tell manton do you have a good photo from the previous IWC Austin that we could use as a featured photo for IWC Austin 2019? Could you link or upload to the wiki and then add it to https://2019.indieweb.org/austin as an actual visible image?
# [jgmac1106] I will read my code
# [jgmac1106] [benwerd] was debating stripping the rsvp and events as I think something us wring
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[schmarty] what about the "official" 2017 Austin photo: https://indieweb.org/File:IndieWebCamp_Austin_2017_3.jpg
# [jgmac1106] yes that's where I agree, and I like that readewrs are recognizing it
# [jgmac1106] no I mean I want to be able to POSSE img and iI want that img to be the u-featured on my post
# Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 2018-03-15 at 5:36pm UTC: in case you are interested - add yourself: https://indieweb.org/Planning#Oxford
# Loqi benwerd: tantek_ left you a message on 2018-04-09 at 6:52pm UTC: Personal Democracy Forum (the good PDF) Open call for Workshop Facilitators: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeNAav46teEr1gktU5gnGGIFCQmnQQ63MIs-kDF3Mwjmk6EyA/viewform?usp=sf_link (this is where I gave that IndieWeb talk in 2014) you should submit a proposal ASAP (due by 2018-04-18)
# [jgmac1106] maybe mixing up, sorry Ben weren't me, you and Marcus debating whether event should be core or stripped?
# [jgmac1106] I do love core as small as possible and a bunch of plug-ins
# [jgmac1106] just it is the only CMS with working RSVP and events,
# [jgmac1106] not if it is a radial button
# [jgmac1106] I like the UI of plugin selection on Known, they all come with the package a user just decides what to turn on
# [jgmac1106] yes and I love the design of the smallest box possible and letting users grow
# [jgmac1106] No not stripping, empowering the user to decide what they want, in my opinion for my site I really like it. Still the best UI have found for people who literaqlly never been on the web
# [tantek] !tell [aaronpk] do you have to do / include something magical to get the RSVPs to show up on https://2019.indieweb.org/austin? Because [jgmac1106]'s RSVP didn't show up. https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/01/14/yes-just-rsvping-for-indiewebcamp-austin-literacies-lra19-edtechchat-edcamp
# [jgmac1106] example of plugin page
# [jgmac1106] I might seprate in an advanced box so you don't see s3 right away but its a good design
# [jgmac1106] IMO
# [jgmac1106] right now Known doesn't have typical users, nothing you update from GitHub is for typical users
# [jgmac1106] but I lke what [benwerd] did in desgin there, I like togglining and deciding
# [jgmac1106] my opinion, like I said I would hide the advanced options those confuse
# [jgmac1106] okay will try, good idea [aaronpk]
# [jgmac1106] I also wonder, when you look at the plugin community around WordPress, which while quite problematic, is huge, offers easy entry points into open source projects
# [jgmac1106] open source projects and open standards supported by folks like you, aaron, and Ben are going to be the only way they can find a way out of the silo dumpster fires
# [jgmac1106] think we will see emergence of new funding patterns, economic arrangements all sorts of things
# [jgmac1106] yes exactly, they don't give a shit
# [jgmac1106] does it work..well I shouldnt say that..it is nt highest priorty
# [jgmac1106] many do have values to taop into but does it work must be answered first
# [jgmac1106] [aaronpk] did I miss it? was there any easier way to get to the form? https://2019.indieweb.org/webmention.php I had to look at source code and find address of the php form
# [jgmac1106] Webmentions are only accepted for current events. The target in your request was not the URL of a current event.
# [jgmac1106] is message I got
# [jgmac1106] I had to add /austin
# [jgmac1106] yeah but can we edit the php template for each city or add a <p>Add /austin to the target url</p>
# [jgmac1106] <p>Add /city to the target url</p> if we want to reduce places people have to touch
# [jgmac1106] [tantek] [benwerd] here is my thinking on a better plugin UI page: https://github.com/idno/known/issues/2324
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jeremycherfas The typical user does not realise there is a dumpster fire in their silo.
# [jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] disagree, at least here in the US among college students...many are starting to want to step back, even from Instagram, they just don't have any other options, does make funny divides between iOS and Android people as what kids are doing is just relying on SMS groups
# [jgmac1106] Instagram still by far the daily stop of everyone, but young adults are troubled
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benwerd I actually think businesses / publishers are the canary in the coal mine. When I introduced Known in 2014, there was a collective shrug from that side. Why wouldn't you use Facebook? These days I'm seeing many, many publishers return to the realization that they need to own their own website.
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[cleverdevil] Agree. There has been quite a shift, especially as of late.
# [cleverdevil] I will say, its been fun to see Known gain some more traction even just as an open source project lately.
# [cleverdevil] I've had an absolute blast writing plugins, extensions, etc.
# [jgmac1106] [benwerd] fingers crossed I get this grant, should know by August, DOeD not shut down
# [cleverdevil] Have you seen my summary pages, [benwerd]?
# [jgmac1106] [cleverdevil] if you build they will come (well I will bring them look at Brid.gy traffic)
# [jgmac1106] yeah [benwerd] as soon as that pops back into a one click install it will be my top recommendation
# [cleverdevil] Automatically generated monthly summaries.
# [jgmac1106] but @mapkyca and I wrote the grant so everything goes back to core....what [cleverdevil] did has been amazing...I just had to force myself off my site to write the book...can't wait to mess up trying to copy it
# [cleverdevil] Also added Dark Sky powered weather annotations to all of my posts - https://cleverdevil.io/2019/connected-226-the-instagram-secret-society#comments
# [cleverdevil] (Based upon current location)
# [tantek] [cleverdevil] why are there so many (apparent) dupes in https://cleverdevil.io/summary/2019/01? E.g. two photos the same, many shows the same, etc.
# [cleverdevil] So, there is only one actual dupe, which is a photo.
# [cleverdevil] The shows are different episodes of the same show 🙂
# [cleverdevil] I think clustering would be smart, though.
# [cleverdevil] Just haven't gotten to it 🙂
# [cleverdevil] Indeed.
# [jgmac1106] see @gwg isn't that sales enough (call back to different channel)
# [jgmac1106] Actually [benwerd] want to really think that through and may biunce ideas off of you, I don't see enough bootstrap companies thinking about the grant funding and partnerships with highered....the review time is long so you better have a year of burn or actual revenue to cover monthly expenses...burn always annoyed me as a who the F wants to burn money
# [jgmac1106] and I think we can support #indieweb dev with no formal structure and kind of bring the support of building the web back to public-private partnership of its roots
# [jgmac1106] back to work, when I fall off the no network wagon,...well always had one foot dragging off the tailgate..guess i go hard..and my son has away basketball game tonight so day is cut short
# [cleverdevil] Thanks! I love them. Even have them auto-pushed to my microsub account on the 1st of each month for the prior month.
# [cleverdevil] That's already been happening for a lot of folks 😉 - SF -> PDX.
# [jgmac1106] ...reason I pitched it to Marcus, 80-100k over two years not enough...though my last IES grant we budgeted 500k for dev
# [cleverdevil] (Of course, its driving up prices in PDX)
# [jgmac1106] I meant more the indie dev or future dev co-ops rather than an entity
# [cleverdevil] Do you have any idea what the total install base is of Known?
# [cleverdevil] Any way to tell?
# [jgmac1106] do I count as one or 43?
# [jgmac1106] actaully its currently 13
# [cleverdevil] (For me its two)
# [jgmac1106] but three are my kids, one is my nephew and one is a failed family attempt
# [jgmac1106] an IES SBIR level one grant is 300K with 75% to biz>then 1.4>then 3-5 million
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# [jgmac1106] My mistake they cap at at 1.2 mill total 200k, then 900k, but I mean supporting Open Source in General through IES grants those get into 5 mil, DOD and DOE trainign grants HUUGE but may not align to your values
# [jgmac1106] the IES SBIR grants come out 1/31....you could take 45 days and try to write up a proposal for a protoype for a Known reboot, maybe with integrated reader finished....you have to spend 50% of your time on project, set up as a side gig, and 25% goes to university research partner...but if you could live on 75-80K a year with some client work to make up other 30k...who knows...
# [jgmac1106] work in the blockchain payment thing you are doing as a subaward for micropayments to course instructors rather than leting teachable and folks get there cut
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@css > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos.
https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086365120953905153)
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@html_css_tutor css: > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos.
https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086365265053601798)
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@htmlandcss_atoz css: > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos.
https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086365316316389376)
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@html5_css3_atoz css: > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos.
https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086365687130607616)
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@htmlcsscodecamy css: > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos.
https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086365904097738754)
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@htmlcsstutorial css: > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos.
https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086365931096473603)
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# [schmarty] ugh duplicate tweets
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@giglobus css: > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos.
https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086366213591236609)
# [schmarty] zegnat++
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@robiriondo > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos.
https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086370006059884545)
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# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-01-18.html
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@DAIBuilds @robiriondo: > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos.
https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086383017059332096)
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# [tantek] Zegnat, aaronpk, apparently those are retweets! When you do a search only 3 actual tweets come up: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22IndieWeb%20is%20that%20people%20should%20own%20their%20own%20content.%22
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Zegnat Doesn’t look to have any markers of a retweet when I go to one, e.g.: https://twitter.com/giglobus/status/1086366213591236609
# @giglobus css: > One of the core principles of the IndieWeb is that people should own their own content. Controlling how and where they publish makes users more independent from big content silos. https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1086366213591236609)
# [tantek] aaronpk, https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions deserves to be in indienews
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "posts about indieweb" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "posts about indieweb is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek] posts about indieweb are /posts_about
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loqi.me created /posts_about_indieweb (+24) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
# [tantek] posts about << 2019-01-06 [https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions Static Indieweb pt1: Syndicating Content]
# Loqi ok, I added "2019-01-06 [https://mxb.at/blog/syndicating-content-to-twitter-with-netlify-functions Static Indieweb pt1: Syndicating Content]" to the "See Also" section of /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=55684&oldid=55433
# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-01-18.html
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@Petersell I sometimes post on instagram. And with the help of #indieweb blogging software @withknown and @kylewmahan my photos appear on my homepage via POSSE. But meanwhile I received requests from two persons who liked my pictures on Instagram. But they do not… https://www.petersell.com/2019/i-sometimes-post-on-instagram-and-with-the-help-of (twitter.com/_/status/1086399955965747200)
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tantek.com edited /Client-Side_Rendering (+218) "scope as web dev, call out problems in the dfn, jargon, see alsos" (view diff)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-01-18.html (twitter.com/_/status/1086401609012146176)
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