#meta 2019-02-14

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@mattl ↩️ @pleia2 You could turn on some IndieWeb plugins and have comments from here on your blog via http://brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/1095837470254657536)
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[tantek] Today is the one year anniversary of the closure of the W3C Social Web WG: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg
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[eddie] Speaking of Jitsi, I was thinking about buying a domain to be able to point at an amazon ec2 instance of Jitsi. Should we just use an indieweb subdomain, like meet.indieweb.org or do a new domain? I was looking at indieweb.social or indieweb.party
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Loqi Sixth Social Web F2F meeting
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[tantek] LOL Loqi
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[tantek] would be a good day for anyone even remotely / partially involved with the W3C Social Web WG to write a blog post reflecting on their experiences
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[tantek] here's an example - by cwebber (of ActivityPub), posted last year just as the group was closing: http://dustycloud.org/blog/on-standards-divisions-collaboration/
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[tantek] I'd like to work on a post later tonight, but wanted give folks (especially in other timezones) a heads-up in case they want to publish something quickly
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aaronpk [eddie]: I was eyeing .live the other day
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aaronpk but cheaper to use a sub domain
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[eddie] Ohhh yeah I did see indieweb.live as well
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[eddie] It also feels more official if people are logging on for IWC/HWCs if it’s the same root domain
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[eddie] My goal this week is to get a test instance of Jitsi on ec2 so it can be launched on demand, so that we can use that for the Virtual Americas Meetup next week
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[eddie] If it works well it could also potentially be used for Austin
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aaronpk Sweet
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aaronpk On demand ends up being pretty cheap. You just pay storage while it's off which is pennies
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[eddie] Exactly, that’s the thought.
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[eddie] And we could even do something longer term where if an event on the wiki has a link to the Jitsi Server url, it could auto-launch the instance. Essentially have a lambda function occasionally check and then lunch the ec2 server for the duration of the event
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[eddie] But for now it’s pretty easy to just log in and launch and shut down
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rosemaryorchard.com edited /Planning (+158) "/* New Locations */ - Add Vienna with possible date, and location" (view diff)
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[Rose] As my boss said he thought work might work out location wise..!
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Zegnat Aaah, another event to add to the Zegnat Community Plannend Itinerary page?
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[Rose] Of course!
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@indiescripter @EddieHinkle Hi Eddie, just letting you know I found you on http://indieweb.org. Thinking about renewing effort on my https://www.indiescripter.com website so it piqued my interest to find that your abode backend is written in TypeScript as well! (twitter.com/_/status/1095978306082562048)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /Planning (+20) "/* Vienna */ Expressing interest" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas I realise I may seem to be spreading myself a bit thin. In the end I will have to choose one, maybe two.
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Zegnat Mid-August is far enough from the other events that I could do it without droping another.
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[Rose] Be aware, those dates are Friday/Saturday
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[Rose] But at least here the Thursday is a holiday
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www.zylstra.org blog edited /Planning (+11) "/* Vienna */" (view diff)
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[Rose] But with 2 people officially interested in attending I think I can get the ball rolling further :D
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Planning (+22) "/* Vienna */" (view diff)
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[Rose] You beat me to adding the days Sknebel :)
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[tantek] just saw https://principles.design/examples/microformats-princples go by in #microformats, and of course I checked...
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[tantek] https://principles.design/examples/indieweb-princples is a 404 - WHICH IS OK, it gives us a chance to do this first:
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[tantek] 1. Finish the updates to /principles that we discussed during /2018/Organizers, and
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[tantek] 2. Hopefully replace "selfdogfood" per https://indieweb.org/selfdogfood#Brainstorming
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eddiehinkle.com edited /monthly_recap (+856) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +me" (view diff)
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@voxpelli ↩️ In my opinion more of us should move to POSSE: https://indieweb.org/POSSE In other words: Move our primary business elsewhere, but still maintain connections with people still on here And opt for such truly independent profiles/sites for ourselves + eg combine with @BeakerBrowser (twitter.com/_/status/1096136457855684608)
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[tantek] voxpelli++
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Loqi voxpelli has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (5 in all channels)
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[tantek] re: replacing "selfdogfood" - apparently I *did* replace principle 4. "Eat your own dogfood" with "Use what you make" back in 2017: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=principles&type=revision&diff=40823&oldid=29323 - which makes sense as a principle. I still think "eat what you cook" is a good analogy that may resonate more broadly.
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] you had also suggested a while ago that we reconsider/replace "Scratch your own itch" and frankly your suggestion has grown on me the more I think about it (especially relating to its possible Cathedral & Bazaar origins)
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tantek.com edited /scratch_your_own_itch (+157) "stub Brainstorming, potential replacements" (view diff)
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[eddie] Yeah, I think the principle is better to be clear like "use what you make"
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[eddie] But as an analogy to use when talking casually I think I like eat what you cook as well
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[tantek] !tell [jgmac1106] you had previously pointed out issues with "Scratch your own itch". Could you perhaps document them, even as "Criticism" on https://indieweb.org/scratch_your_own_itch and perhaps add any potential replacements to https://indieweb.org/scratch_your_own_itch#Brainstorming ? I want to make sure we capture these kinds of concerns and have an active discussion going
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] That's a broad invitation BTW
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[tantek] For anyone who wants to suggest more broadly appealing replacment(s) to https://indieweb.org/scratch_your_own_itch#Brainstorming
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@ChrisAldrich A Sketch for an IndieWeb Bullet Journal https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/14/a-sketch-for-an-indieweb-bullet-journal/ (twitter.com/_/status/1096156317285113856)
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@wp2static Glad it has helped you, Björn! Great to see your love of #indieweb and #decentralized. @withknown is looking great, too! (twitter.com/_/status/1096168614498000896)
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[tantek] aaronpk, I found this edit: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Events&type=revision&diff=55906&oldid=55871
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aaronpk i suspect he never looked at the comment there and just saw that it had been removed
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Wow I same thing! Did not know about @wpstatic just threw my site on subdomain and learned how to write a redirect (kind of wors 70% of the time). Join us on #knownchat on IRC or @IndieWebCamp Slack. Huge in flux of open source developers… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/14/egoexpress-wow-i-same-thing-did-not (twitter.com/_/status/1096175630390046720)
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[jgmac1106] !tell tantek will do after I run the oldest to Ball practice. Though been trying not to force my opinions on the community, but I guess noting in criticism isn't shouting "Don't do this"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] Not just community and bazaar its like this you shared: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/13/how-men-and-women-approach-open-source-differently---the while "self dogfood" "scratch your own itch" so historically successful I just think they also reflect historic bias we have built into defining "what works"
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] Link
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] I appreciate "not to force my opinions on the community", however it is helpful to capture new / minority opinions, because often those turn into (sometimes long term) opportunities to learn and improve
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Loqi [tantek]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 2 minutes ago: will do after I run the oldest to Ball practice. Though been trying not to force my opinions on the community, but I guess noting in criticism isn't shouting "Don't do this"
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[tantek] Right
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[jgmac1106] okay will add tonight when I get back from ball
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[tantek] thanks!
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aaronpk I am also confused about sl007's comment about the podcast. cwebber had only good things to say about the event in his podcast episode.
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Been a huge influx of library and education academics involved with #IndieWeb (which uses microformats as our community glue) bunch of @IndieWebCamps coming up Austin, Online, New Haven. Both should join us and add yourselves to … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/14/edsu-been-a-huge-influx-of-library (twitter.com/_/status/1096187178697347073)
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tantek.com edited /Events (-498) "/* July */ -OSCON, no indieweb specific involvement, sessions, participants etc. Please restore if you know of any, along with citations of indieweb specific things that happened there." (view diff)
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[tantek] cwebber++
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