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gRegorLove Zegnat++ for archiving etherpads
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[Rose] !tell aaronpk Seb and I should get the login details for the red/orange/yellow IWC Zoom accounts today, and I'll upload all the videos from yesterday afternoon
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jkphl Back at the wonderful @sipgateDE space for the second day of @indiewebcamp Düsseldorf 2019. #btconf https://t.co/2pL0R038zD (twitter.com/_/status/1127470550689955840)
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[Rose] !tell Zegnat, we should get planning for Keynotes at Åmål, perhaps "this is how I social media with IndieWeb" would be a good topic?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@DanielRufde ↩️ Not so uncommon for (free) meetups, barcamps and events (high noshow rates). This is also one of the reasons why @unkonf sells tickets for a small price now. 1/3 is not much but this can be also because of the day. (twitter.com/_/status/1127476831551197186)
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@derSchepp ↩️ @DanielRufde @webrocker @indiewebcamp @unkonf It's always the same problem with free events... :/ (twitter.com/_/status/1127478907454799878)
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@DanielRufde ↩️ True. I often try to find the problems and suggest a few solutions for meetups. For example we have collected feedback. Based on this we have improved the format of @FrontendRN and made it a bit different than others. Worked very well. But I guess this weekend is not the best. (twitter.com/_/status/1127481632196321280)
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@faulancr Second day @indiewebcamp hosted by the awesome people @sipgateDE starting with a great breakfast. #btconf https://t.co/1dtSiMr9gF (twitter.com/_/status/1127484311282835456)
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Zegnat Oh only two session videos missing at this point?! Amazing!
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Loqi Zegnat: [Rose] left you a message 53 minutes ago: should get planning for Keynotes at Åmål, perhaps "this is how I social media with IndieWeb" would be a good topic?
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Zegnat !tell [Rose] I think my project for the day will be to finalise a lot of stuff around the Åmål event. Are you volunteering to do the keynote?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk we can stream demos on twitch this afternoon!
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Loqi aaronpk: [Rose] left you a message 1 hour, 26 minutes ago: Seb and I should get the login details for the red/orange/yellow IWC Zoom accounts today, and I'll upload all the videos from yesterday afternoon
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aaronpk https://twitch.tv/indieweb
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@zachleat Really had a delightful day at @indiewebcamp yesterday. Finally met web heros @t, @adactio, and @sonniesedge. Answered some questions about @eleven_ty. Great atmosphere, kindred spirits ♥️ Really excited to start doing POSSE on my site. On to day 2! (twitter.com/_/status/1127489938448977920)
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Zegnat aaronpk: how are the after lunch videos being published? Was switching to the more interactive meetings in zoom an issue with getting the videos online?
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aaronpk so it turns out that it's too hard to stream to youtube from the zoom webinars directly
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aaronpk so switching to the meeting style instead of webinar style isn't any different otherwise
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aaronpk in both cases the videos get stored in the zoom website when they are done, and have to be downloaded and uploaded later
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@shochdoerfer ↩️ compared to other barcamps @unKonf charges a bit more but for what we offer it's a bargain. Only very few past attendees haven't bought tickets after we announced the change. (twitter.com/_/status/1127492559549476864)
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Zegnat Oh no, a mistake!
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aaronpk my fault
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Zegnat aaronpk: that is really too bad about streaming to YouTube. Would have been a big positive feature in my opinion.
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Zegnat So you just uploaded all the pre-lunch videos manually to YouTube over lunch? I thought it was Zoom’s doing that got them published this quickly
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[Rose] We are going to try streaming to Twith
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[Rose] *Twitch
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aaronpk in order for the webinar streaming to work we would have to use laptops and not ipads
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[Rose] So the Zoom to YouTube stream only works if you start the stream on the laptop
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[Rose] I'm too slow
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aaronpk yeah i uploaded a bunch over the lunch break
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Zegnat I do really like Twitch, it replaced cable for me for an entire year. But part of me feels the web interface makes it less accessible and discoverable than YouTube’s
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aaronpk if you go to twitch.tv/indieweb there's a giant play button and it kinda just works
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Zegnat Well, you got your first follower ;)
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aaronpk hehe
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Zegnat But we can’t have multiple streams on Twitch, right? So no live-streaming sessions
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aaronpk i believe that is true
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aaronpk but zoom for sessions works great
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Zegnat Zoom worked really well for me too, yeah, not knocking it.
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aaronpk this goes back to the broadcast vs participation needs being very different
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Zegnat I just really like to be able to point people at a non-interactive stream
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aaronpk right that's what twitch is for
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Zegnat Very true. I guess I might see both broadcast *and* participation needs for some sessions. Which very few platforms seem to cover.
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Zegnat (Apart from Hangouts Live, or whatever that was called.)
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aaronpk there's also the possibility of combining them
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aaronpk for example remote demos
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aaronpk streaming on twitch, then connect a zoom laptop at the podium here
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Zegnat Interesting. Yes. Though I for one probably cannot watch the stream on Twitch while also connect through Zoom because of bandwidth limitations. So would be awkward switching from consuming broadcast into participation mode
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Zegnat Unless I can somehow watch the Twitch stream through the Zoom app :P
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Zegnat Not important now, I will not be demoing anything today. Am also looking forward to getting a demo of Zoom in Utrecht!
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Zegnat All seemed to be very smooth sailing yesterday, big props to everyone organising for us remotes!
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aaronpk done
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Zegnat ssgcms is missing?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk looks like we missed recording it
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Zegnat Aww. Sad
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@mxbck Join the indieweb today and start publishing on your own site. We can bring back the web we had. #LetsFixThis (twitter.com/_/status/1127511686381035520)
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@t #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf hack day minor site improvements: * better #webactions text symbols ♥♺↵ https://indieweb.org/webactions#emoji_text_labels * better reply-context symbol ↳ https://indieweb.org/reply-context#Minimal_text_reply_contexts and figured out flex>grid>flex CSS for table>tr>td for @aaronpk ... https://tantek.com/t50U1 (twitter.com/_/status/1127526088148537344)
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@andygrunwald ↩️ Interesting. Can you share what questions you have asked, what feedback you got, what was your initial setup, how you changed this and your view on if this was a success or a nice try? (twitter.com/_/status/1127526750769098752)
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@adactio ↩️ Like @t, I too am having fun at @IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf, tinkering with my website. https://adactio.com/notes/15134 (twitter.com/_/status/1127530217160024064)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Many other @IndieWebCamp do include a small fee (or you can Indie RSVP from your website) to make tix. More predictable. It helps. Free tix events have higher no show rates. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1MdnVv) (twitter.com/_/status/1127530390212751360)
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Zegnat Ha, I just wrote a tweet saying basically the same thing jgmac1106
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aaronpk not sure why some of the tweets aren't showing up but I blame twitter
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@jgmac1106 About IndieNews: https://news.indieweb.org/en/submit (twitter.com/_/status/1127532453621641218)
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[jgmac1106] Interesting data point. Also wonder if many had the grand idea of IWC and Beyond Tellerand.. But then reality of that much time set in
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Zegnat btconf has had companion IWC for years now. I am not sure we have ever seen such a big disparity between registrations and attendees
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Zegnat My first IWC was a btconf-companion one in Düsseldorf, and it was packed with amazing people
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sknebel right. there's certainly people that don't do IWC DUS because its a bit much with all the other events, but those I know of also do not sign up to IWC then
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Zegnat ssg << [[2019/D%C3%BCsseldorf/ssgcms]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2019/D%C3%BCsseldorf/ssgcms]]" to a new "See Also" section of /ssg https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61175&oldid=61174
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aaronpk [tantek] I wrote up steps for getting started with an indieweb reader here: https://indieweb.org/Microsub#Getting_Started
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Zegnat Ah. We don’t have on the fly encoding. Seems like I am having huge issues running the 1080p stream on my bandwidth. I am out.
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Zegnat This, BTW, is one of the reasons I love YouTube
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Zegnat Going to my own dedicated 4G through my phone made it better. But I still had some stutters in tantek’s presentation. Enough that I will prefer to watch VODs later. Have fun all!
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aaronpk Oh darn! I thought twitch would be good about that
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Zegnat It is. But you do not automatically get reencoding last I checked
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Zegnat It is distributed based on current demand and size of the stream, last I looked into it
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Zegnat So if there are few streams going, you might get lucky and get it on yours. If many streams are going you are prioritised based on a number of factors like size of channel/audience etc.
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Zegnat “Quality: 1080p (Source)” the only option that currently shows for me
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Zegnat Hmm. Might even be that Twitch Partners always get it, next up in queue are Twitch Affiliates, next up are random streamers.
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aaronpk Ah darn
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Zegnat Note that is from quick read through the Twitch subreddit. Having a hard time finding authorative information. Probably because it is a queueing thing and Twitch doesn’t want to tell people about what they use for priorities
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Zegnat https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/joining-the-affiliate-program - Transcoding: “As Available”. Need to be Partner for “Full access”
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aaronpk Gosh. Amazing that YouTube just does it for everyone
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Zegnat One of the older Reddit posts spoke of $1000 price tag per transcoding machine for handling 4 streams. I have a hard time imagining that, but at that point you will run into issues of scale, I guess
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[voss] Hi everyone, sorry I left without saying goodbye to anyone, but realised I had to get a move on to get to the airport in time for my flight. Didn't want to interrupt the demoes
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[voss] I had a fantastic time at IWC Düsseldorf, and it's definitely not the last one I will be attending. Was great to meet everyone and participate
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aaronpk Thanks for coming! Sorry to miss you at the end here!
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[voss] Thanks to all the organisers who made this happen, and to all the participants. Charlie said yesterday that I would feel energised after being a part of it, and she was right! (:
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Zegnat “a $1000 server can provide transcoding to a total of 4 live channels at once” https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/4xnsu3/wll_twitch_ever_increase_the_bitrate_limit_and/d6h0jgn/
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[tantek] [voss]++ great to meet you and thanks again for helping out with Google sponsorship! Hope to see you at IndieWebCamp Brighton in October! https://indieweb.org/2019/Brighton !
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[voss] My pleasure! Brighton is in my calendar
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[Rose] !tell [frank],@tonz do you have a keynote for IWC next week? If not, I'm willing to put a short one together.
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[Rose] [tonz], mentions are hard
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[tantek] [voss] awesome! Looking forward to seeing you in Brighton! See if you can nudge Will to come to IndieWeb Summit! https://2019.indieweb.org/summit
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[tantek] organizers <!here>, I braindumped a few thoughts/proposals learned/discovered at IWC Düsseldorf - opinions wanted! https://indieweb.org/photography_policy#Brainstorming
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GWG I'm curious about that as well.
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GWG I've never done anything with Twitch
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sknebel how does archive.org work for removing stuff?
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[tantek] because it's account-based I presume you (the account holder) can login and delete uploads. would have to ask aaronpk to confirm
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[tantek] what is Internet Archive
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Loqi The Internet Archive is a non-profit organization that is building a digital library, including archival copy of much of the public web https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive
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[tantek] ^^^ if that doesn't answer your question sknebel, perhaps add it to a brainstorming or faq on that page?
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[Rose] I agree with Sknebel: lanyards are easier than stickers with opt-in.
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Zegnat "twitch.tv seems less harmful YouTube as a service for streaming" - interesting. I have very mixed result with twitch chat, and know of stories of toxic raids (where one streamer sends their entire audience to another channel)
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Zegnat Not sure twitch is magically better than YouTube, it is simply an entire different type of platform with other expectations and behaviours
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Zegnat Saying that as someone who has been paying subscriber to twitch streamers and who spent a year where twitch replaced regular TV.
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GWG Zegnat, what are pros and cons in your opinion?
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GWG I like auto archiving as it removes a barrier
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[tantek] Thanks Zegnat, worthy of documenting pros and cons
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[tantek] what is twitch.tv
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "twitch.tv" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "twitch.tv is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] What is Twitch
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Twitch" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Twitch is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[frank] [Rose] Not yet, we talked about it this weekend I would do one on the basics of indieweb but also the small theme we have as in "find the others". There are more outside the indieweb who worry about the web, data, privacy and how you can get control on your online presence. But I don't have anything set in stone yet.
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1127641348843163654
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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sebsel !rt https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1127641348843163654
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Loqi Thanks sebsel and aaronpk! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1127650489506549760
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[sebsel] Quote from the retweeted article:
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[sebsel] > It’s, of course, safe to assume that a web of personal websites will never be an equivalent substitute for a social network like Twitter. But that’s also not the goal. Personal websites are called personal websites because they are just that: personal. Thus, the primary objective still is to have a place to express ourselves, to explore ourselves, a place that lasts while the daily storms pass by.
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[sebsel] Very true
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sebsel Hm, I was still reading the article but due to reading in a mobile browser I had to reload the page a few times, and now Mattias’ site won’t serve me the article anymore
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sebsel few points for improvement there, both reader experience and how to deal with traffic
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[Rose] [frank] let me know if you want me to do anything!
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[tantek] Just noticed this: https://twitter.com/m_ott/status/1127142338172805120
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[tantek] so that was *yesterday morning* during the intros/demos
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[tantek] and his blog post was today at ~11:15 local time: https://twitter.com/m_ott/status/1127504584262463488
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@m_ott ✍️ New article: Into the Personal-Website-Verse https://matthiasott.com/articles/into-the-personal-website-verse (twitter.com/_/status/1127504584262463488)
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Zegnat I feel like he has been to the btconf adjacent IWC a couple of times. Too bad he didn’t make it this time around. But at least we get a great post out of it? :D
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sebsel I have seen him around one of the Düsseldorf ones as well. Can't remember what year, but fairly sure he attended an IWC in person.
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[tantek] Zegnat, scroll to the bottom of his post. 41 Webmentions and counting
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sknebel yes, he's been at a bunch of IWCs
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[tantek] sknebel yes he went to IWC DUS 2016 & 2017! (maybe 2018 too?)
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