#meta 2019-05-24

2019-05-24 UTC
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mblaney tantek I added a new feature to dobrado that can do pretty much what you're after. Happy to set it up if people think it would be useful.
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aaronpk Cool!
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mblaney you need to be able to subscribe to an OPML list, not sure how many readers can do that?
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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gRegorLove Haha, the <details> from that article title didn't escape in the newsletter https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/05/19/html-toggle/
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Loqi [Jamie Tanna] Using <details> tags for HTML-only UI toggles
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[frank] what is identity
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Loqi A personal domain is a domain name that you personally own, control, and use to represent yourself on the internet https://indieweb.org/identity
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[frank] what is facebook
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Loqi Facebook is a popular content hosting silo and activity aggregator most well known for being the largest centralized social network on the web https://indieweb.org/Facebook
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jacky hmm
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jacky why is identity a redirect to personal domain?
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[frank] facebook << Integrating messaging apps is not about your privacy https://onezero.medium.com/facebooks-plan-to-fuse-its-messaging-apps-is-not-about-your-privacy-91c237e50c17
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Loqi ok, I added "Integrating messaging apps is not about your privacy https://onezero.medium.com/facebooks-plan-to-fuse-its-messaging-apps-is-not-about-your-privacy-91c237e50c17" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61640&oldid=61593
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petermolnar re volunteers for setting up websites: I like and support the idea, but I have questions; eg. if someone's completely new - no domain, etc- what vendors/services to recommend? I'd like to avoid any bias I might personally have. Same applies for recommending website engine, etc.
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-307) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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Zegnat Does anyone know in what repo the newsletter code lives?
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Zegnat What is newsletter?
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Loqi A newsletter is a regularly scheduled email that is sent out on a specific topic to an email list https://indieweb.org/newsletter
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Zegnat Found it. Filed issue https://github.com/indieweb/this-week/issues/17
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Loqi [Zegnat] #17 Escape HTML special symbols in text
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Zegnat Depending on when I can get away from work, I may work on a PR
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Zegnat But we should probably get it fixed before the actual newsletter gets sent
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[schmarty] zegnat++ good eye!
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/this-week
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boffosocko.com edited /follow (+393) "additional details on Chris Aldrich example; reordered some pieces" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2019 (+221) "/* Inbox */ added edcamp and community college outreach" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2019 (+7) "moving recruitment from inbox since task was started" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2019 (-6) "/* Recruitment */" (view diff)
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aaronpk was there a group photo from Utrecht?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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[frank] [aaronpk] Yes! https://indieweb.org/2019/Utrecht/Schedule#Photos
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aaronpk ah thanks!
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aaronparecki.com edited /2019/Utrecht (+273) "move photos to main event page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2019/Utrecht/Schedule (-258) "move photos to main event page" (view diff)
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[Rose] How did I end up putting it there?
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[Rose] Sorry about that. But the photos are there at least!
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aaronpk np!
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aaronpk probably saw the placeholder "photos" header there
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aaronpk there wasn't a placeholder on the main page for some reason either
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2019-05-23-homebrew-website-club (+133) "add photo" (view diff)
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[Rose] Ahh, there we go.
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aaronpk 2 pictures for the newsletter!
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aaronpk and i added a banner to the top pointing ppl to summit
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] can you add yourself as a volunteer to /2019#Volunteers since you’ve volunteered to help with recruitment? :) thanks!
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[jgmac1106] yeah will do
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2019 (+10) "/* Organizers */" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /2019 (+67) "/* Recruitment */ added PSU" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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aaronpk what'd i do wrong with the photos from utrecht
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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aaronpk ohhhh
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[tantek] was about to step in :)
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aaronpk is it trying to fetch indiewebcamp.nl?
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aaronpk hmm no it has the description from the wiki
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aaronpk i'm stuck
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[tantek] nice colorful crowd at Utrecht!
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[tantek] ok I'll step in
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tantek.com edited /2019/Utrecht (+7) "try commenting out second photo just in case it's a weird pano thing" (view diff)
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[tantek] aaronpk++ nice "Register Now: IndieWeb Summit, June 29-30, 2019" banner in the newsletter!
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aaronpk yea!
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aaronpk my next step is gonna be hacking that into a banner on indieweb.org
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tantek.com edited /2019/Berlin (-6) "should only have one u-uid" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2019/Utrecht (+198) "add explicit u-urls for site, wiki, tickets" (view diff)
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[tantek] Let's see if any of that makes a difference
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[chrisaldrich] I'm away for a bit, but someone might bookmark Tantek's recent video to IndieNews so that it's more discoverable...
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aaronpk ohh
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aaronpk thanks
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[chrisaldrich] https://vimeo.com/336343886
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[chrisaldrich] Aaronpk++
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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[tantek] nope
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aaronpk i bet it's the u-url to indiewebcamp.nl
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tantek.com edited /2019/Utrecht (-8) "uncomment 2nd photo, clearly it was not at fault" (view diff)
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[tantek] IWC Berlin wiki page has a u-url to the Tito that precedes the u-url to the wiki
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aaronpk oh hmm
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[tantek] pin13 shows good h-event from /2019/Utrecht with photos etc.
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[tantek] so it has to be on the consuming side
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aaronpk ah it's too large
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aaronparecki.com edited /2019/Utrecht (+64) "/* Photos */ replace with lower resolution photos" (view diff)
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[tantek] both of them?
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[tantek] wow
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aaronpk yeah normally I link to the resized version
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aaronpk it was >5mb which is also just not a good idea to embed on the web page either
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[Rose] Sorry, should have done that before uploading them.
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[Rose] The 360º picture must have been massive.
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aaronpk the easy way is to upload the full photo to the wiki and have it resize it
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gRegorLove I have some time to take a stab at https://github.com/indieweb/this-week/issues/17 if someone isn't working on it already. Zegnat, aaronpk?
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Loqi [Zegnat] #17 Escape HTML special symbols in text
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aaronpk then when you're looking at the photo page on the wiki just copy the URL of the visible photo and it's the resized one
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aaronpk gRegorLove: that should be done already :)
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gRegorLove oh cool!
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[Rose] I am wondering if there will be an IWC somewhere in the US August 17th-18th?
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/this-week
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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aaronpk yay they are there now!
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Loqi yay!
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[tantek] looking good!
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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Loqi [github] Error deploying indieweb/authorship.rocks
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[schmarty] wat
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[schmarty] don't rock the author ship
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[schmarty] (this is a very good test set and i didn't know it existed!!)
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[eddie] It didn't until now
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[eddie] If you look at the repo the first commit was 21 minutes ago
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[eddie] sebsel++
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aaronpk and the domain was registered about an houor ago :)
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[schmarty] sebsel++
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[schmarty] i shall not lament my ignorance, for it was so short-lived.
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sebsel :D
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sebsel I'm working on some more tests. And it's just a lot of reformatting of aaronpk's work on the previous .rockses and XRay
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sebsel aaronpk++ for going fast with me
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aaronpk hm xray fails on 4
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sebsel testing the tests.
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boffosocko.com edited /tools (+111) "IndieWeb endpoints" (view diff)
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sebsel ah, it's a mistake in the test. so much for going fast. missing the rel=me there
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sebsel I will fix it and add a test 5 and send a PR.
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aaronpk suggestion: put something in the text that shows up in the parsed result that lets me know whether a photo is expected or not
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aaronpk so for example if i'm looking at https://xray.p3k.app/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fauthorship.rocks%2Ftest%2F1%2F&pretty=true I can tell whether it's correct by reading the description there
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sebsel hm, good point. I can also just add more photo's.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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sebsel hm, it's actually hard to do that without showing it to viewers of the page too.
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sebsel I'll have to call the author "William Shakespeare (no photo or url)"
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sebsel and that looks weird
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sebsel usefulness vs esthetics :(
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[schmarty] p-note? :}
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[schmarty] oh right this is authorship. maybe aaronpk meant the entry content?
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aaronpk yeah in the entry content is fine
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aaronpk look how the text here even describes it https://authorship.rocks/test/4/
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Loqi A woman must have money and a room of her own if she is to write fiction.
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aaronpk so just include that explanation as the text of the entry so that it's visible in the parsed result
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aaronpk since it's already visible on the page
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sebsel Hm, maybe I should just do that indeed, and make it easier on myself and future maintainers of not having to come up with good authors for quotes
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sebsel https://github.com/indieweb/authorship.rocks/pull/1 <- that should fix test 4
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Loqi [sebsel] #1 Fix test 4 and add test 5
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aaronpk no i wasn't suggesting changing the author name
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sebsel The other solution I came up is just adding photo's everywhere, and changing the first test to "Anonymous"
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sebsel then it's more obvious that there's no photo or url.
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aaronpk that works too
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sebsel test 3 actually has this fake author page: https://authorship.rocks/test/3/about-patanjali
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Loqi Patañjali (your algorithm fetched the author page! Try to solve it without fetching to remove this message.)
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sebsel my site will fail that one: I just fetch, that's easier.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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aaronpk Nice
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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doubleloop.net edited /IndieWebCamps (-189) "/* Upcoming IndieWebCamps */ Remove past events" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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doubleloop.net edited /IndieWebCamps (+0) "Moved recently past IWCs into 2019 list" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-05-24.html
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doubleloop.net edited /2019/Utrecht (+304) "/* Blog Posts */ Add blog about Utrecht" (view diff)
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jamietanna|wwwjv Any idea why HWC Nottingham isn't on the list for this Wednesday?
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[tantek] jamie, 1. is it on /events? 2. Is it listed as a location on the specific HWC event wiki page?
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jamietanna|wwwjv I can definitely see it when loading https://indieweb.org/events/2019-05-29-homebrew-website-club#Nottingham - does it need to be an h-event on the wiki?
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jamietanna|wwwjv And I can see it listed on /events, too
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jamietanna|wwwjv (note that the specific HWC does not have an h-event so that could be the issue)
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doubleloop.net edited /Events (+27) "/* May */ Add London to events on 29th" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Yeah, needs an h-event for the newsletter to parse out the location
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[tantek] And that should be semi-automatic as long as the page was created by copy pasting from a prev HWC event page
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gRegorLove jamietanna|wwwjv, I see an h-event on the page currently, but no p-location for Nottingham, just a link to the indie event page.
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gRegorLove Take a look at Nurnberg on https://indieweb.org/events/2019-05-29-homebrew-website-club#Nottingham to compare
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gRegorLove Oops https://indieweb.org/events/2019-05-29-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg
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[tantek] Gotta copy paste from another city that has the p-location markup and change the details accordingly
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[tantek] copy paste is your friend
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