#meta 2019-07-14

2019-07-14 UTC
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@TheIdOfAlan Getting ready to start another #LiveCoding stream (at 7:30pm ET) I'll be working on my #indieweb site. Moving it from Jekyll to the @GoHugoIO static site engine https://www.twitch.tv/theidofalan (twitter.com/_/status/1150210340971589633)
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@icodefy IndieWeb and Webmentions http://dlvr.it/R8MxtZ https://t.co/LgaobOMo4e (twitter.com/_/status/1150280416659513345)
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@Jorge195908 "the IndieWeb lacks the carefully engineered addictiveness that helped fuel the rise of services like Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. This addictiveness has kept people returning to their devices even when they know there are better uses for their time" https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/can-indie-social-media-save-us (twitter.com/_/status/1150325766498017280)
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@petermolnar ↩️ @Jorge195908 The IndieWeb is not an attention hoarding, venture capital backed machine so it doesn't need the same motives. (twitter.com/_/status/1150341968758759425)
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petermolnar ugh that articles is full of mistakes
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petermolnar "Mastodon, another popular IndieWeb service" https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/can-indie-social-media-save-us
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@IndieWebLife Techmeme: The IndieWeb, a loose collective of developers and techno-utopians, aims to create alternatives to mass social media via projects like and Mastodon (Cal Newport/New Yorker) #indieweblife https://www.techmeme.com/190519/p5 (twitter.com/_/status/1150344969061838848)
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swedneckpermaweb <petermolnar ""Mastodon, another popular Indie"> to be fair it's very easy to think that "indieweb" just means web services run by non-organizations
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petermolnar for bystanders, sure, for someone writing an article on it, no
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@philippepjbeck IndieWeb and Webmentions https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/?utm_source=Sociallymap&utm_medium=Sociallymap&utm_campaign=Sociallymap https://t.co/PZ8fKqP1jN (twitter.com/_/status/1150359452954087426)
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[jgmac1106] what would be something cool someone who just added an h-card could do?
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[jgmac1106] So far my thinking is to have them also create a GitHub account and then could sign into wiki, but thinking what could be a validator...but packaged into something pretty like a photo wall?
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GWG How would you add to a photo wall?
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GWG Webmention works, but that's an issue on the sending side
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GWG I suppose you could send one and a wall could not verify a backlink.hmm
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GWG And periodically reverify the links
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GWG I should write that up
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Loqi I agree
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@janboddez ‘Despite its advantages, the IndieWeb will not succeed in replacing existing social-media platforms at their current scale. For one thing, the IndieWeb lacks the carefully engineered addictiveness that helped fuel the rise of services like Facebook,… https://mastodon.social/@janboddez/102440490574452211 (twitter.com/_/status/1150425865622347783)
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@janboddez ‘[T]he core concept is running your own website where you are completely in control, as opposed to publishing content you create on a third-party website. [M]ake your own website the canonical source.’ https://css-tricks.com/indieweb-and-webmentions/ https://janboddez.tech/notes/1652950087 (twitter.com/_/status/1150425875579572227)
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[tantek] petermolnar, it's ok if the press treats IndieWeb as broader more inclusive umbrella term like that — it helps point people in the right direction to get help, hopefully to find a kind and helpful community too 🙂
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[tonz] My friend Peter has been writing about how Spotify is a jail for your data. Specifically you cannot download your list of subscribed podcasts including their urls so you could move. See https://ruk.ca/content/spotify-prison-podcasts and https://ruk.ca/content/what-spotify-takeout-contains
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[tantek] wow
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[tantek] what is Spotify
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Loqi Spotify is a playlist hosting silo and streaming music service https://indieweb.org/Spotify
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[tantek] [tonz] definitely worth adding to the "Criticism" section (make one if it's not there) on /Spotify
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[tantek] I'm also curious if anyone in Europe has made a GDPR request of Spotify to get all their data and what the results were (or is that what Peter is talking about?)
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[tonz] Peter is in Canada so not gdpr related.
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[tantek] It's still a good start of documenting that criticism
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[tonz] I am on a crappy connection out in the French country side so can't edit the wiki.
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@TheIdOfAlan Firing up a #LiveCoding stream to continue moving my #indieweb #StaticSite from Jekyll to @GoHugoIO https://www.twitch.tv/theidofalan (twitter.com/_/status/1150465265899069440)
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petermolnar https://musically.com/2019/06/13/swedish-data-protection-spotify-gdpr-investigation/
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petermolnar [tantek]: someone did, I remember the article
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petermolnar they had to request again
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petermolnar and got literal GBs of data
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petermolnar I'm looking for the source
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petermolnar ah, sorry, only 250MB: https://twitter.com/steipete/status/1025024813889478656
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@steipete Tried the GDPR data export from Spotify. By default, you get like 6 JSON files with almost nothing. After many emails and complaining and a month of waiting, I got a 250MB archive with basically EVERY INTERACTION I ever did with any Spotify client, all my searches. Everything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjmemYGXgAEkuOY.png (twitter.com/_/status/1025024813889478656)
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petermolnar LOL
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petermolnar spotify data export pops up a google captcha
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petermolnar that like pepper in the eyes for privacy
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petermolnar dear lord
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petermolnar so spotify gdpr export: click, captcha popup, click again, sends mail, click link in mail, wait up to 30 days, email with link arrives
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[tonz] But apparently not the urls of podcasts one subscribed to
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petermolnar where is [tonz]?
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petermolnar huh
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petermolnar no Loqi answer
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petermolnar [tonz]: are you in EU/GDPR area?
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petermolnar how is Rubens "war" against FB going, any news on that front?
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[tonz] I am based in the Netherlands
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[tonz] Not up to speed on current gdpr actions against fb.
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@mantonsblog ↩️ It might seem futile, but the movement back to blogging and smaller networks would accelerate if everyone with a huge audience stopped complaining about Facebook (without offering solutions) and started advocating for the IndieWeb or http://Micro.blog directly. (twitter.com/_/status/1150482026073677827)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Following on his post, I think I identify more like a “primitive” engineer that ends up working on product because I want to see the primitive used in a particular way. I see this with IndieWeb things I work on as well as other projects for work. How do… https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/adbc6823-0eb0-4600-b8bd-36dd07779ca6 (twitter.com/_/status/1150503216188182528)
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@btopro Oooooooo https://www.webcomponents.org/element/webmentions-component #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1150511444812861441)
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