#meta 2019-08-05

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beesbuzz.biz
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[jgmac1106]
looks likt 10/5-10/6 have the most votes. Will tell Pace we will go with that
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jgregorymcverry.com
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jgregorymcverry.com
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GWG
I am excited we nailed it down
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Loqi
GWG: [schmarty] left you a message 3 days, 20 hours ago: please add your preferences to the new options jgmac1106 added to https://indieweb.org/Planning#NYC
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Loqi
GWG: [schmarty]1 left you a message 2 days, 16 hours ago: just heard back from Glitch! they are not up for hosting an IWC this time around. they're hiring a new person that maybe able to help with hosting HWCs, though! so, looks like Pace is the place.
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[schmarty]
Oh! I have a +1 from [mifga] to add to the Sept date
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GWG
I was more for September than October. But I'm ultimately for having a date more
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martymcgui.re
edited /Planning (+68) "/* NYC */"
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[schmarty]
And a minus for Oct
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[schmarty]
So please take that into account
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jeremycherfas
[jgmac1106]++ for wiki gardening
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Loqi
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jgregorymcverry.com
edited /Planning (+82) "/* Save Dates */ adding NYC Save the Date"
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[schmarty]
Looks like it was not taken into account 😩
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jgmac1106[m]
Schmarty confused you have a plus one for 10/5 ohh you mean Matt. I didn't see that. My apologies
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[Rose]
[tonz] Did I see something about Amsterdam being reserved?
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beesbuzz.biz
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beesbuzz.biz
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[schmarty]
jgmac1106 is the Oct weekend already locked in with Pace
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[schmarty]
Err pretend there's a ? at the end of that
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jgmac1106
no but at the time it has the most votes…and I am not available on Sunday 21st now, I feel bad I did not see Matt’s addition
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jgmac1106
but beyond me sending out a Save the Date tweet is not locked…I will not be able to help 20-21st, though I will be in the city…just got tickets to the Yankees for my sons 11th birthday
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jgmac1106
I am happy to go with 20-21st but will not be able to be on site organizer
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jgmac1106
dates and venues are hard, now I feel bad
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[schmarty]
Even with Matt's +/- I think a - from you still puts the Oct dates ahead
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[schmarty]
So hooray we have dates!!
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jgmac1106
it will be better for tantek too rather than trying to come right from TPAC and Japan, and off chance aaronpk IWC itch scratvches mroe than be at home for two whole days itch
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jgmac1106
also can’t lie the extra two weeks of planning will be nice, have a venue earlier this year but quick turn around hard
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[tonz]
[Rose] yes, Amsterdam as of this morning has a venue, It already had a date. 28 & 29 th September, at CODAM Coding Academy in Amsterdam (near central station)
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[Rose]
Well, September will be a month of flying again 😛
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[Rose]
And October, oops?
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[Rose]
(Brighton is October)
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www.zylstra.org blog
edited /Planning (-348) "/* Amsterdam */ confirmed"
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[Rose]
Could we add a section to the planning page for accommodation?
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www.zylstra.org blog
edited /Planning (+72) "/* Planned */ Amsterdam added as planned"
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jgmac1106
accommodations will go on the main event page, once a date is confirmed the organizer should start a page for the event
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www.zylstra.org blog
edited /Planning (+27) "/* Amsterdam */"
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[Rose]
There's a website for IWCs in the NL
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[Rose]
Hence the request
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[tonz]
I am now making the wikipages, will include accommodation.
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[Rose]
Thanks!
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www.zylstra.org blog
edited /2019/Amsterdam (+2) "/* IndieWebCamp Amsterdam 2019 */"
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www.zylstra.org blog
edited /2019/Amsterdam (+1) "/* IndieWebCamp Amsterdam 2019 */"
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www.zylstra.org blog
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[tantek]
yay lots of planning progress this morning!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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[tantek]
[jgmac1106]++ [schmarty]++
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Loqi
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Loqi
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Loqi
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[tantek]
[tonz] very important question, what's the emoji for Amsterdam?
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tantek.com
edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+40) "Amsterdam is planned and has ticketing!"
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tantek.com
edited /Planning (-87) "Amsterdam has ticketing! No longer just a save the date"
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tantek.com
edited /Planning (+2) "/* NYC */ fix a few list indents"
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek]
!tell [jgmac1106],[schmarty] are NYC dates locked down with the venue? Or was that a "we have dates that now prefer"? Will wait for update to https://indieweb.org/Planning#NYC and https://indieweb.org/2019/NYC before booking flights
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jgmac1106
they are locked, last day of class, I haven’t made the page yet, will get to it first tomorrow
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[tantek]
page is made just a stub tho
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jgmac1106
perfect thanks, will fill out with details tommorow
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tantek.com
edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (-1) "Amsterdam is planned and has ticketing!"
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jgmac1106
schmarty, gwg if any of you have the time to do a PR to the wiki I can set up ti.to. I wanted to make a tutorial for that anyway
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jgmac1106
not wiki meant the repo for the event
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[tantek]
[aaronpk] I feel like we could make Denver happen if we coordinate directly with the Name.com folks (who are based there)
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[schmarty]
jgmac1106: i believe there have been updates to the process for setting up ti.to recently since the summit. please give them a look before diving in. :}
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[schmarty]
currently at lunch, don't have the link.
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[tantek]
looking...
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jgmac1106
okay, thanks, will look, it couldn’t get worse so it must be better, wasnt much just poor UI for event duplicating
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jgmac1106
I have a more than williign venue in Denver
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[tantek]
[schmarty] looks like it was never captured - still a To Do here: https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_Organizing#Ticketing
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[schmarty]
sadness. i remember there was a good deal of chat about it btw zegnat, aaronpk, and others?
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[tantek]
yup, there was a great deal of chat about it
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[tantek]
and that stub To Do there is barely what I was able to understand and ask for as part of updating Tito for IWS
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jgmac1106
https://thinqstudio.us/ wanted to do an IWC with me but I didn’t have the time and suggested they start with HWCs first
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[tantek]
interesting. the other thought was the name.com offices on the weekend, since they seemed very eager to make an IWC Denver happen
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[tantek]
would kinda prefer venue / co-organizers that are already at least semi-involved in the community (show up either in chat or have participated in events and shown energy to actually make things happen)
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[tantek]
[jgmac1106] have you had any luck getting the thinqstudio folks to show interest in a HWC or at least showing up in chat to setup their own sites here?
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aaronpk
yeah we should start working on a date for denver
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[jgmac1106]
No, which is why I didn't push hard... Not your event planner
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aaronpk
my fall is filling up
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[jgmac1106]
But the venue was willing
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[tantek]
aaronpk same, we should start adding dates to /Planning#Denver
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[jgmac1106]
Meaning I am not their event planner... If you want an IWC plan and do, don't just ask
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[tantek]
at least to get conflicts etc. noted
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[tantek]
[jgmac1106] got it - you put yourself down as a co-organizer for Denver in /Planning#Denver so from that I assumed you were into actively planning it and didn't want to step on your toes
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[tantek]
happy to help out here
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[jgmac1106]
Happy to remove myself and volunteer then if you and aaronpk take the lead... I am already out of travel money
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[tantek]
got it. appreciated!
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Zegnat
Honestly, we did a call aout Tito and what sort of parts we would need in a homerolled system, and there were so many things we came up with that all my notes for setting up tito spiralled out of control real fast
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[tantek]
except we are using Tito, over and over, so clearly people are following *some* process — can we at least get that written down to reduce "obvious" mistakes?
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[tantek]
much more interested in documenting *what works now* than brainstorming future homerolling
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aaronpk
didn't i post my notes from that somewhere? mostly we were talking about what parts of ti.to we actually use
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[tantek]
if you find your notes, please link to them from https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_Organizing#Ticketing
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aaronpk
as a kind of test to see whether we are severely under-utilizing ti.to, and to see if there might be something better, needing to know exactly what features we actually need
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aaronpk
my notes weren't a "how to"
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[tantek]
aaronpk, how is the weekend of 11/2-3 for you? scary to say that might be the first weekend I can now make for Denver (except 9/21-22 as previously discussed for NYC)
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[tantek]
TBH I'd rather go to Denver in September
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aaronpk
11/2-3 is open
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aaronpk
i can't do 9/21-22
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[tantek]
well that starts to narrow down things
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[tantek]
I'm still waiting to hear from Yulia to confirm (or not) IWC Berlin2 11/9-10 the weekend before BT Berlin
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Zegnat
Except almost every event we looked at during the call used Tito in a different way, [tantek]. So almost every event has had a unique process. Some used venues to limit ticket availability others didn’t need that, others had the optional “donate to IndieWeb” tickets, others did not, etc. And as soon as you wanted 1 specific thing, you’d have to do a wholy separate process :(
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Loqi
it'll be okay
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Zegnat
Haha, thanks Loqi
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[tonz]
[tantek] I guess it should be the cross mark ❌
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www.zylstra.org blog
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[tantek]
Zegnat can you at least note that divergence on the organizing page?
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www.zylstra.org blog
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[tantek]
barely got this week's HWC events into the Mozilla Weekly Project meeting announcements
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[tantek]
kevinmarks++ for starting Teesside!
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Loqi
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tantek.com
edited /Planning (+698) "/* Denver */ update per meta chat, add possible dates, name.com venue maybe"
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[tantek]
everyone interested in IWC Denver <!here>, please add yourself to the candidate dates: https://indieweb.org/Planning#Denver
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[tantek]
aaronpk I added you only for 11/2-3, add yourself for the other dates
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Zegnat
[tantek], I started at one point and gave up because I lost track of all the menus myself. But I can sure give tito documentation another try
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[tantek]
Thank you Zegnat, that would be a great help. Otherwise it becomes verbal lore
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[tantek]
Would be good to have some input on IWC Denver before we start asking name.com folks and other venues
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Zegnat
Though even that guide is out of date now, because I think aaronpk was saying we should move away from the Indie RSVP ticket?
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[tantek]
we discussed this at /2019/Organizers yes
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[tantek]
maybe that's where the best notes are
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[tantek]
we decided on one "normal" ticket for everyone, $5-10 based on what the organizers want to charge (TBH I'd be ok leaning towards 10 if that means we can keep making t-shirts happen)
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[tantek]
and then a "financial assistance desired" ticket similar to what donut.js does
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[tantek]
the event page can still show Indie RSVPs separate from (or in addition to) manual event registrations
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek]
!tell GWG I know you like to travel, please add yourself to possible dates for IWC Denver! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Denver and new possible dates added for SF as well, add yourself there too! https://indieweb.org/Planning#SF
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Zegnat
I don’t remember what we ended up looking at for the financial assistance, do you remember whether we ended up thinking coupon codes or secret tickets were best, aaronpk?
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[tantek]
actually that latter one is for everyone <!here> interested in an IWC SF this year — please add yourself to the possible dates: https://indieweb.org/Planning#Denver with your preference!
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aaronpk
ooh i don't remember where we landed on that
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Zegnat
Wonder if there might be value in scheduling a call and with a bunch of us together go through the process of creating the true boilerplate tito event
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
edited /Planning () "(-888) /* Amsterdam */ now that it's planned, move to its own page"
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sknebel
aaronpk: you should still have notes from the call where we talked about coupon codes etc?
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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Zegnat
sknebel, I think those notes were on etherpad? But I can’t seem to recall think link
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aaronpk
ah yeah got my computer and found the text file
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
aaronpk, IWC Denver 11/2-3 is starting to look like a solid prime date candidate if we can get Name.com or other help with a venue
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[tantek]
I'd say prime enough to tentatively block out the dates so you don't book a conflict. I'll do the same.
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[tantek]
AEA Denver being right before it helps
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[tantek]
though that would mean staying in Denver for Halloween
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tantek.com
edited /Planning (+118) "/* Berlin2 */ +option 2019-11-23…24"
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[schmarty]
oooOOooOooo
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tantek.com
edited /Planning (+0) "/* Planning */ re-order a bit for likely dates"
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[tantek]
ok I'm done with gardening /Planning for now
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[tantek]
[schmarty] all yours for updating all the https://indieweb.org/Planning#NYC at your convenience!
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[schmarty]
tantek++ thanks! i am pretty low on energy for this at the moment as i just got back from a long weekend of improv festival in Baltimore. 😅
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Loqi
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[tantek]
rest up and take your time!
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Loqi
GWG: [tantek] left you a message 2 hours, 15 minutes ago: I know you like to travel, please add yourself to possible dates for IWC Denver! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Denver and new possible dates added for SF as well, add yourself there too! https://indieweb.org/Planning#SF
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GWG
I actually like attending new IWCs more than I like to travel
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aaronpk
same :)
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GWG
I in fact attend IWCs because it gives me a way to fill my paid time off
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GWG
So, we'll see what I can handle
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GWG
I am set to be in Europe in November for an extended period
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[tantek]
GWG, so you could maybe make IWC Berlin2 then
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GWG
I'd hoped so
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GWG
I am tentatively set to go over the last week in October... duration undefined
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GWG
I estimate 2-4 weeks
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[tantek]
GWG can you add your date preferences to https://indieweb.org/Planning#Berlin2 ?
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[tantek]
even if it's just 0 vs -1
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GWG
Everything is still up in the air, but will try
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[tantek]
Would be great to do IWC LA or SD in December when it's cold elsewhere!
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GWG
[tantek]: I wouldn't complain
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[tantek]
GWG, see if you can talk gRegorLove into December IWC SD when you're hanging out 🙂
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GWG
[tantek]: I am still trying to find him to finalize plans
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GWG
I have 15 days to departure and all I have is a place to sleep every night
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[tantek]
that's an important baseline
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GWG
[tantek]: You are correct.
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GWG
But figuring out the rest is important too