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@HongPong ↩️ It's important to realize that social media sites give poor SEO for participation. Try at a minimum to auto copy tweets and Facebook posts out to a real website and you will have more impact. Learn about #indieweb http://indieweb.org for more escape from these limited "silos" (twitter.com/_/status/1164726605568258048)
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@IndieWebLife The IndieWeb and Webmentions #indieweb http://clintonpavlovic.co.za/the-indieweb-and-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1164730354353221632)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@bixtweets Every time I scroll follow lists on M.b it’s like a mental audio loop of, “White… white… white… white… white… white… white.” http://Micro.blog is the Portland of IndieWeb blogging platform/social networks. (twitter.com/_/status/1164772111992287234)
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-08-21-homebrew-website-club (+1) "/* Photos */ sort Nottingham per # of people" (view diff)
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@jodsclass Just found out I'll be in AMS for the next @indiewebcamp - but I've already got plans to attend another event. How can it be that I have nothing planned for months on end & two events then clash on the same weekend. (twitter.com/_/status/1164858084675719168)
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@khurtwilliams I just registered for IndieWebCamp NYC 2019 https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/indiewebcamp-nyc-2019 (twitter.com/_/status/1164862309426171904)
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@scottishstoater I removed my most popular post from Medium. I now own the content. No pay walls or “pardon the interuption” pop-ups. Just free content. #indieweb #unsplash #webdev https://www.chriscollins.me/notes/alternatives-to-unsplash-for-free-stock-photos/ (twitter.com/_/status/1164871476048277504)
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jeremycherfas Tried two of those links at random. ... Crickets.
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /Indieweb_for_Education (+162) "/* Articles About Blogging with Students */ adding article" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Thx @DanicaSavonick , I added your article to the #IndieWeb education wiki page: https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education#Articles_About_Blogging_with_Students (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/rIXaY) (twitter.com/_/status/1164894706695921665)
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@BRCrandall Attention northeast @writingproject educators. Cool maker's event in NYC, Oct 5 & 6. Focus? Improving personal websites (which is something I know I need...hasn't been updated in a decade). https://2019.indieweb.org/nyc Contact @jgmac1106 with any questions. (twitter.com/_/status/1164900480222486528)
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@tTikitu ↩️ If you didn’t already bump into it you might find IndieWeb interesting. I know it from @JmacDotOrg’s blog posts, e.g. https://fogknife.com/2018-05-04-i-believe-in-the-indieweb-it-needs-to-believe-in-itself.html (twitter.com/_/status/1164903251491348487)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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calumryan.com edited /events/2019-09-04-homebrew-website-club (+0) "/* London */ removed event on 4th" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-49) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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@wordcamprocny WordPress and the IndieWeb: Why You Should Own Your Voice - Join @DavidWolfpaw at #WCROC - we can't wait for his talk! https://2019.rochester.wordcamp.org/session/wordpress-and-the-indieweb-why-you-should-own-your-voice/ (twitter.com/_/status/1164944575095595008)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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[tantek] ^^^ could someone add that WordCamp Rochester event and IndieWeb session to /events ? Looks like it is on 2019-10-05
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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prtksxna.com edited /events/2019-08-21-homebrew-website-club (+88) "/* Notes */" (view diff)
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[prtksxna] Glad you liked the timelapse [tantek] 😄
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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@prtksxna Here is what happened at the last #HomebrewWebsiteClub https://prtksxna.com/2019/08/23/goa-homebrew-website-club-2/ #WordPressGoa #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1164968841002143745)
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@prtksxna Here is what happened at the last #HomebrewWebsiteClub #WordPressGoa #indieweb https://prtksxna.com/2019/08/23/goa-homebrew-website-club-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1164969631276097536)
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[prtksxna] Why did this show up here? 🤔Because of the hashtag? 😮
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aaronpk yep
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[prtksxna] https://gph.is/1OwdG20
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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herestomwiththeweather.com edited /events/2019-09-04-homebrew-website-club (-72) "/* Where */" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+49) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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[tantek] [aaronpk] heads-up, looks like my theory of the Indienews hole in the Newsletter was correct
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[tantek] items posted to IndieNews between Friday 14:50 and 15:00 are omitted
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aaronpk oh yeah huh
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[tantek] because they miss the last generation of the newsletter for the end of one week
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[tantek] and the next week looks for 15:00 onward items
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[tantek] e.g. https://news.indieweb.org/en/tantek.com/2019/228/b1/indiewebcamps-timeline-amsterdam-utrecht was submitted 14:54 PDT last week
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Loqi [tantek.com] IndieWebCamps Timeline 2011-2019: Amsterdam to Utrecht
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk ah mailchimp only lets you send at the top of the hour
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aaronpk so i suppose i should adjust the window to 14:50-14:50
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aaronpk let's see if that works
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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aaronpk yep
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[tantek] 🎉
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[tantek] hmm the /poll page doesn't seem indieweb specific / relevant and is quite shallow. kinda want to delete before it goes out as the current stub to the newsletter. [jgmac1106] were you planning to save an improvement to this in the next couple of minutes, or want to try again next week?
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aaronpk i don't even have any examples from my site to add heh
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[tantek] part of my frustration is that folks chat a bunch about something in chat, then only a nearly meaningless stub gets created
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[tantek] it's like if you can take the energy to write paragraphs in chat, you can take the energy to copy / paste them into a newly created stub so there's at least some relevance to the page
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aaronpk especially with <<
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[tantek] exactly
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aaronpk which was my attempt at removing some of the barriers to adding to the wiki page
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[tantek] ok deleting. try again next
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tantek.com deleted /poll "content was nearly meaningless stub with no indieweb relevance. try again next week"
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aaronparecki.com edited /indieweb-ring (-32) "fix redirect" (view diff)
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[tantek] lol we conflicted on that redirect fix 😂
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aaronpk oops
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[tantek] all good, our edits were identical
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html
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[tantek] which it really should detect
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[tantek] it being Mediawiki
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aaronpk yeah weird i thought it did
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[tantek] like "Edit conflict: your edits exactly reflected the newest version of the page!"
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[tantek] hmm looks like webm doesn't make it as a u-photo
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[tantek] no never mind
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[tantek] no u-photo on the timelapse. that's probably ok as it's bit disingenuous markup to put u-photo on a video tag
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aaronpk i think videos don't go into the newsletter at all
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[tantek] I mean animated gifs do
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aaronpk that's cause browsers can render those in an <img> tag
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aaronpk as can email clients
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[tantek] yeah we've had discussions about playing videos without sound when src in an img
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aaronpk didn't safari do something like that?
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[tantek] because that's now "expected" behavior with mp4 on twitter etc.
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[tantek] not sure
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aaronpk yep https://cloudinary.com/blog/evolution_of_img_gif_without_the_gif
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[tantek] original post: https://calendar.perfplanet.com/2017/animated-gif-without-the-gif/
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[tantek] That's kind of an annoying blog post — there's no "try this in your browser" test
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aaronpk the whole post is the test
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aaronpk "This post is 46MB on Chrome but 2MB in Safari"
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[tantek] nope
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[tantek] it's lying
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[tantek] it says: <img src="rocky.mp4">
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[tantek] but in the source, EVEN IN SAFARI: <img src="https://colinbendell.cloudinary.com/video/upload/f_auto,fl_animated/rocky.gif" alt="Rocky!">
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[tantek] sheesh
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aaronpk safari tech preview?
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[tantek] from nearly two years ago?
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[tantek] the blog post is from December 2017
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aaronpk doesn't mean they shipped it
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aaronpk huh the only other thing i can find about it is this https://mpulp.mobi/2018/04/04/video-image-tags/
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-23.html https://t.co/F5LDyi7kzb (twitter.com/_/status/1165024693021073408)
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aaronpk a little sad to not have goa in the tweet!
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aaronpk the video is fun but maybe next time also include a still photo!
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[tantek] can we include a still photo as an explicit poster image on the video and get it picked up?
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[tantek] I'm wondering what kind of markup we'd need to make that "just work"
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[tantek] ah that post worked aaronpk in my Safari 12.x
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[tantek] and on my iPod!
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[tantek] updated the Firefox bug for this (in case anyone is curious) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=895131
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-08-21-homebrew-website-club (+76) "/* Photos */ put in stub poster attr for the video, move video src to a source element so it can be parsed into a separate property from the poster" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell [prtksxna] do you have a single still image jpeg of the HWC Goa #2 meetup time lapse video that we could use as a poster image for the video? If you do can you put the URL for it into the "poster" attribute in the video tag? https://indieweb.org/events/2019-08-21-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Johannes_Ernst #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1165041220931862528)
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tantek.com edited /video (+43) "/* Tantek */ fix typo, note issues were fixed" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /video (+769) "/* How to markup */ fix misconception about fallback content, add more explicit wording about what gets parsed and what it does or might mean" (view diff)
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[tantek] [j12t] sounds like a silo trick. if you shut down your website, people will "just" use the silo versions
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[j12t] Climate beats silos IMHO
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Loqi [j12t]: [tantek] left you a message on 2019-04-24 at 5:52am UTC: Is anyone that you know of in the IndieWeb community (like you!) participating in IIW 28 on 2019-04-30?
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[tantek] my website is more efficient (electricity) than any silo both in terms of the lack of energy draining JS, and in terms of using a green webhost
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[tantek] so no, "climate beats silo" is the wrong framing and actually wrong in at least my case
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[fluffy] I find it vaguely ironic that the climate shutdown stuff is implemented as a javascript popover thing